In post 587, FrankJaeger wrote:CT- I am having trouble developing good town reads I admit. You have the highest chance of being scum right now, based on association and voting patterns.
I can talk gooder tonite when on pc
Ok, so what is your justification for your vote then other than that voting pattern-In post 590, FrankJaeger wrote:Spy, who is the other scum?
If chaos isn't scum who are your picks?
VOTE: TownCop
Top scumread is you. I think I've already explained my reasoning about your quick vote changes and lack of other content.In post 592, ChaosOmega wrote:You still need mislynches if you're scum. There was support for it, and you specifically mention feeling that way despite Spy's defense of the slot.In post 540, Human Sequencer wrote:If I was trying to stay out of Spyrex's way, lynching Gideon probably wasn't the wisest decision on my part, hey?
To me, it looks like you found it not scummy when there wasn't support for my slot to be lynched, and scummy when there is. That's not irrelevant.In post 540, Human Sequencer wrote:'Or it wasn't scummy before, but now I'm trying to get you lynched, so now it is.'
Well, is it scummy or not? If it is, then the fact that I'm bringing it up now should be irrelevant.
"I found two people I believe are likely to be easy lynches. Frank and you. You have support for a wagon. Therefore, I decided to vote you. Is this hard to follow?"In post 540, Human Sequencer wrote:'This reads as scum motive, looking for easy lynches over finding scum.'
I found two people I believe are likely to be scum. Frank and you. You have support for a wagon. Therefore, I decided to vote you. Is this hard to follow?
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Frank, why is HS town? And can you go more into your Toto read?
TC, who is your top scumread right now?
Toto, what's the difference between copper's L-1 vote on Gideon following me when copper said he was suspicious of my slot and your hammer vote when you said you had a gut town read on Gideon and wouldn't hammer?
Why would a townie not explain such? Spyre's actions could be a less risky form of bussing, like trying to derail an inevitable lynch of someone who he knows is town. Letting such actions go unanalysed and auto read as town is not good at all.In post 570, copper223 wrote:@TC
I can't draw the same parallels to the Toto wagon, but if it's true that both you and Frank are town then Toto might deserve some more scrutiny. It depends on how strong the town-read you have on him is and where it comes from if it's legit.
You spent your time telling me why a town-read on someone you think is town may not be applicable 100% of the time wrt. to Spyre, I don't see why a townie would do that, you didn't even use the fact you don't consider it a good read to make a case on me.
There have been some disconnects between what I read in the thread and where you were in the past so I'd rather let you clarify.In post 604, copper223 wrote:@Toto
You're annoying, I hope this is not scum and I'm slowly getting tuned out, read the thread and you'll see where I am at.
Hey Frank,In post 132, FrankJaeger wrote:Can 2 IC's or and IC and SE both be scum, while every newbie is townie?
Except this was Spy's number one top 'Completely Green No Ifs Or Buts About It' townread. Picking and pushing harder on literally anybody else would be my gameplan if I was truly trying to stay out of Spy's way. I'm conferring and cooperating with Spy, or at least was, because he's my strongest townread, and also an IC, so I assumed that he would point out any major flaws/newbie mistakes in my reasoning. You'll realize I've actually completely stopped doing it D2 because I'm more confident in my own abilities and have also realized Spyrex isn't actually giving me anything.In post 592, ChaosOmega wrote:You still need mislynches if you're scum. There was support for [gideon's lynch], and you specifically mention feeling that way despite Spy's defense of the slot.
Or more like passes through an initial scan easily, but pricks up on a more detailed reading once I have more reason to consider you as scum.In post 592, ChaosOmega wrote: To me, it looks like you found it not scummy when there wasn't support for my slot to be lynched, and scummy when there is. That's not irrelevant.
Not really sure what you want me to say about this. I laid my mentality bare, and you put your own expectations on it to change it into something else.In post 592, ChaosOmega wrote:"I found two people I believe are likely to be easy lynches. Frank and you. You have support for a wagon. Therefore, I decided to vote you. Is this hard to follow?"In post 540, Human Sequencer wrote:'This reads as scum motive, looking for easy lynches over finding scum.'
I found two people I believe are likely to be scum. Frank and you. You have support for a wagon. Therefore, I decided to vote you. Is this hard to follow?
I have a feeling we're getting ready to come full circle, but what caused you to have more reason to consider my slot as scum?In post 609, Human Sequencer wrote:Or more like passes through an initial scan easily, but pricks up on a more detailed reading once I have more reason to consider you as scum.In post 592, ChaosOmega wrote: To me, it looks like you found it not scummy when there wasn't support for my slot to be lynched, and scummy when there is. That's not irrelevant.
Much more important to me than when I realized this is the fact that Jason had that contradiction, which leads to him being a goon.
Can you cite the questions you're talking about?In post 593, Toto wrote:I also asked him questions and grew more suspicious when he failed to answer convincingly to my well intended questions. When I made my mind to lynch him, even though I thought it was a lower chance than I would like it to turn scum, I also thought it was a good timing to end the day (I explained this earlier) on what seemed like a locked lynch, and the worst case scenario was going to be a VT to my knowledge.
It is possible it applies here - that does not mean it does not apply. I was simply stating why in general Sypre is town, but also highlighting a possibility that can apply. And for that reason it is worth pointing out.In post 604, copper223 wrote:It could be but you currently don't believe that is the case, so what is your point?
I can take any read ever and find an instance where it does not apply, that doesn't mean it's not a valid read.
Your analysis of why scum_spyre would behave like he did randomly assumes he chose to town-read Gideon, something we have no reason to believe in a vacuum and which makes this a corner case, it does not invalidate the read (which you seem to share) so why are you doubt-casting?
There are many possible reasons for why you'd do so as scum, you don't want to get PoE'd, for instance you want to call out what you see as bad logic because that is a chance to produce content while not really reading the game, you are discrediting me.
As town all you're doing is distracting from going after the people you have a problem with (which would be Jasonmega).
@Toto
You're annoying, I hope this is not scum and I'm slowly getting tuned out, read the thread and you'll see where I am at.
I want to interact more with my scum read before I vote him. And, I also want to have a look at Frank and Spyre - especially Frank (I don't have a scum read on Frank, but neither a town read).In post 605, Toto wrote:There have been some disconnects between what I read in the thread and where you were in the past so I'd rather let you clarify.In post 604, copper223 wrote:@Toto
You're annoying, I hope this is not scum and I'm slowly getting tuned out, read the thread and you'll see where I am at.
@TownCop: If Chaos is your top scum read why are you not voting him? maybe you are undecided? who is your other(s) scum read?
How am I soft bussing?
I am not casting doubt on your read specifically of him - instead of the general reads.In post 622, copper223 wrote:You say you think he is town, I say he is town, but you're casting doubt on why I am town reading him and the way you posted it you did not just point out a side point, you claimed his behavior did not say much (see the part of your post I highlighted before) and tried to claim the whole read was invalid.
If Spyre had done something or if Chaos flips scum and you believe Spyre is the most likely scum, or if you're building a scenario where Chaos is town and you're looking for scum and you think it's Spyre, then it would make sense to say: I don't believe in copper's read because I think this is what happened and Spyre is scum because of X.
You did none of that and as I said best guess from me is you're busy pointing out "bad" logic instead of game solving.