Newbie 1744 - Game Over

[copper223]

Now you're focusing on him (but I already posted I think it's a soft buss so now there's WIFOM involved), but for a while now you've had him as scum and mostly ignored him, his question to you and your reply in 602 also makes it seems like you're both interacting with each other just for show.

One of the reasons for my unvote was to see if you would follow up with a vote on him or just claim you were scumreading without acting on it (and this is why I called it a soft buss).

UNVOTE:

I'm happy to see more interaction between the 2 of you though.

[copper223]

It doesn't tell you much: it could have been a coincidental town read which just happened to be the bw of D1

I'd like to highlight this.

[copper223]

I've been reading Chaos in my free time as well, and while it's true that his posting frequency is low regardless of alignment, I am not seeing the same kind of obsessive focus on just one player that he is displaying here (other than his latest post).

[Huntress]

Vote Count 2.4

ChaosOmega (2) - Human Sequencer, SpyreX
Human Sequencer (1) - ChaosOmega
TownCop (1) - FrankJaeger

Not voting (3) - copper223, Toto, TownCop


With seven players alive, it takes four votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day Two is Sunday, 30th October 1pm GMT, (in (expired on 2016-10-30 13:00:00)).

[SpyreX]

I've been reading Chaos in my free time as well, and while it's true that his posting frequency is low regardless of alignment, I am not seeing the same kind of obsessive focus on just one player that he is displaying here (other than his latest post).

I think it is that in conjunction with it just feeling like.arguing. i haven't seen an aha! moment from either direction in the back and forth.

[Toto]

I was thinking about the hypothetical scenario where Chaos flips green. Wouldn't we want to be prepared for that, I mean, it's Mylo in that case, and mafia may be prepared for blitzing us.

Early unjustified votes like the one from HS today could be... disastrous? Why do we want to end the day early again Spy?

[SpyreX]

Early is relative. The discussion has been fine so far but as it settles we need to not get locked like yesterday.

Yes, a chaos green makes tomorrow tough and no ealy votes in lylo

[copper223]

If Chaos flips, and if he flips green, the moment you decide to vote you're making it a you vs the other player scenario, you have to be confident enough that you will instantly gamble the game on you being right and the other player is scum, you also have to be able to explain to the rest of town where this confidence comes from.

I am all for using the day, as long as the discussion is meaningful.

[Human Sequencer]

To me, it looks like you found it not scummy when there wasn't support for my slot to be lynched, and scummy when there is. That's not irrelevant.

Or more like passes through an initial scan easily, but pricks up on a more detailed reading once I have more reason to consider you as scum.
Much more important to me than when I realized this is the fact that Jason had that contradiction, which leads to him being a goon.

I have a feeling we're getting ready to come full circle, but what caused you to have more reason to consider my slot as scum?

Like I said before, process of elimination.

I keep forgetting to tell you all, but I will now.

I'm semi-V/LA for the 19th Oct until the 25th Oct because of a hellish work week

I'll still be around, mostly reading and keeping up with the thread, but if something big happens I'll make an effort to be active for it.

Frank is reading more towny to me now that he's actually posting. I really need to give TownCop a closer look, because apparently everybody is seeing something in his posts that I'm not.

[SpyreX]

This is what i was afraid would happen.

Chaos assuming you're green who would be your call tomorrow?

[TownCop]

Now you're focusing on him (but I already posted I think it's a soft buss so now there's WIFOM involved), but for a while now you've had him as scum and mostly ignored him, his question to you and your reply in 602 also makes it seems like you're both interacting with each other just for show.

One of the reasons for my unvote was to see if you would follow up with a vote on him or just claim you were scumreading without acting on it (and this is why I called it a soft buss).

UNVOTE:

I'm happy to see more interaction between the 2 of you though.

It's true that I did not follow up vote him, but I wanted to interact further with him. The fact that you only consider

me

not voting, and ignoring FrankJaeger (to some extent) and Toto. FrankJaeger

does

seem a bit suspicious, he has scum read on Chaos but seems to be trying to redirect the bw for some reason. His claims that he has a scum read of me, but his evidence is not enough to justify such and he has not responding to my posts (most recent ones).

I don't see how you see those posts as "interacting for show". Could explain further?

[Huntress]

I'm semi-V/LA for the 19th Oct until the 25th Oct because of a hellish work week

Noted.


FrankJaeger and ChaosOmega have been prodded.

[Toto]

It's true that I did not follow up vote him, but I wanted to interact further with him.

The fact that you only consider

me

not voting, and ignoring FrankJaeger (to some extent) and Toto.

FrankJaeger

does

seem a bit suspicious

Something is missing in here. Looks like an edit error.

[copper223]

Now you're focusing on him (but I already posted I think it's a soft buss so now there's WIFOM involved), but for a while now you've had him as scum and mostly ignored him, his question to you and your reply in 602 also makes it seems like you're both interacting with each other just for show.

One of the reasons for my unvote was to see if you would follow up with a vote on him or just claim you were scumreading without acting on it (and this is why I called it a soft buss).

UNVOTE:

I'm happy to see more interaction between the 2 of you though.

It's true that I did not follow up vote him, but I wanted to interact further with him. The fact that you only consider

me

not voting, and ignoring FrankJaeger (to some extent) and Toto. FrankJaeger

does

seem a bit suspicious, he has scum read on Chaos but seems to be trying to redirect the bw for some reason. His claims that he has a scum read of me, but his evidence is not enough to justify such and he has not responding to my posts (most recent ones).

I don't see how you see those posts as "interacting for show". Could explain further?

I am considering you in particular because I am looking for Chaos's buddy, you putting him as your top scumread perplexed me until you showed no intent to actually vote or interact with him (after which I decided a soft buss is the most likely case here).

The question he asks you is per-functionary (who's your top scum-read), and you had already said it was him as well. Your reply is also short and you don't follow up with anything, despite him being your top scum-read.

The interaction makes me believe you've both very little interest to figure each other out and that should not be the case if you're both being honest.

[copper223]

It's true that I did not follow up vote him, but I wanted to interact further with him.

This by the way is very compatible with my soft buss theory, you don't want to have to lynch your buddy but you want to be in position to do so if it goes pear shaped, as has seemed likely from the start of the day.

[TownCop]

It's true that I did not follow up vote him, but I wanted to interact further with him.

The fact that you only consider

me

not voting, and ignoring FrankJaeger (to some extent) and Toto.

FrankJaeger

does

seem a bit suspicious

Something is missing in here. Looks like an edit error.

You're right it is an error.

What the sentence is meant to look like:

The fact that you only consider

me

not voting, and ignoring FrankJaeger (to some extent) and Toto is strange, indicating to more confirmation bias.

[TownCop]

Now you're focusing on him (but I already posted I think it's a soft buss so now there's WIFOM involved), but for a while now you've had him as scum and mostly ignored him, his question to you and your reply in 602 also makes it seems like you're both interacting with each other just for show.

One of the reasons for my unvote was to see if you would follow up with a vote on him or just claim you were scumreading without acting on it (and this is why I called it a soft buss).

UNVOTE:

I'm happy to see more interaction between the 2 of you though.

It's true that I did not follow up vote him, but I wanted to interact further with him. The fact that you only consider

me

not voting, and ignoring FrankJaeger (to some extent) and Toto. FrankJaeger

does

seem a bit suspicious, he has scum read on Chaos but seems to be trying to redirect the bw for some reason. His claims that he has a scum read of me, but his evidence is not enough to justify such and he has not responding to my posts (most recent ones).

I don't see how you see those posts as "interacting for show". Could explain further?

I am considering you in particular because I am looking for Chaos's buddy, you putting him as your top scumread perplexed me until you showed no intent to actually vote or interact with him (after which I decided a soft buss is the most likely case here).

The question he asks you is per-functionary (who's your top scum-read), and you had already said it was him as well. Your reply is also short and you don't follow up with anything, despite him being your top scum-read.

The interaction makes me believe you've both very little interest to figure each other out and that should not be the case if you're both being honest.

How does me putting him as my top scum read perplex you? The only reason is that you read me as definitive scum, which does not work chronologically (when I started to question Chaos).

I did show intent to interact with ChaosOmega - but he has not responded to my observations - as you can see, he is quite inactive. It is funny because I can say "All my town reads are active, all my scum reads are inactive" - this time, being in the middle of the day rather than the start, actually amounts to something.

[TownCop]

It's true that I did not follow up vote him, but I wanted to interact further with him.

This by the way is very compatible with my soft buss theory, you don't want to have to lynch your buddy but you want to be in position to do so if it goes pear shaped, as has seemed likely from the start of the day.

I should also point out that lurkers are hard to interact with and thus to read.

And you can interpret the quote you used (#635) as a response

et verbatim

And also "I can point out something that does not apply, but that does not mean it is any use" (paraphrased).
I

do

want to lynch scum, but I

don't

wan't to lynch a clear. And that does not make me mafia. Interaction makes me more confident (or otherwise) of my read and I can make a better decision.

Hypothetically if I was mafia, it would be much riskier to take a "

sort of

" route than "is" route (as reads), because with strong reads mafia have good defense even if it is a mislynch.

[TownCop]

Due to upcoming events, I'll be semi-V/LA from 30/10 to 4/11

. During that period, I probably won't post much (unless something significant happens) but I'll still read up.
As a side note, activity will probably decrease up to 30/10, although I will try my best to stay active up until then.

[SpyreX]

'Sort of' gives wiggle room. Is can remove options.

Do you think chaos is scum?

[TownCop]

'Sort of' gives wiggle room. Is can remove options.

Do you think chaos is scum?

'Sort of' does give wiggle room. I wouldn't like to get into WIFOM, but it is the scumminess of 'sort of' that makes scum avoid it.

I have a scum lean for Chaos, I want to interact further but his lurking (sometimes selectively) is preventing such.

[copper223]

@TC
I agree with you but that's a failing I have seen scum making again and again, because of the need they feel to keep their options open.

You showed very little interest in interacting with him until I said you were soft bussing.

I was perplexed because if everyone wants to lynch Chaos, then is Chaos really scum or just a patsy that doesn't have much time to play and scum (I'd say most likely Spyre or HS and someone off the wagon just biding his time like Toto) is happily pushing him?

[copper223]

My conclusion is that Chaos TC or more in general Chaos + Busser is more likely anyway and that Chaos's slot is heavily compromised and a big liability at Lylo anyway if he happens to be town.

[TownCop]

@TC
I agree with you but that's a failing I have seen scum making again and again, because of the need they feel to keep their options open.

You showed very little interest in interacting with him until I said you were soft bussing.

I was perplexed because if everyone wants to lynch Chaos, then is Chaos really scum or just a patsy that doesn't have much time to play and scum (I'd say most likely Spyre or HS and someone off the wagon just biding his time like Toto) is happily pushing him?

Isn't the most fundamental rule of bussing that you commit to it? Otherwise it's very easily picked out.

Actually, most of my interaction was

before

you said I was soft bussing, as he started to lurk recently and thus interaction is very difficult now.

[copper223]

The most fundamental rule of bussing is not to bus.

Nope, I invite everyone to read up and see how many questions you asked him today before and after I said I thought it was a soft buss.