Newbie 1752: Wave - Game Over

[CloudKicker]

@blake about rask quick vote: she voted him there because drone scumtold, her vote was super towny

[CloudKicker]

I reread thoroughtly page 1 to 7 heres my new list
Town that i am 90% sure : rask, drone, turkish in that order
Town : tenshii
Towny but a few scumtels, either town or good mafia :blake

People i am lynching this game : hellfire and desmond

Bbt nothing

Like even with a reread, some posta from hellfire are fine, some of
His lines are fines but jesus lord when he spazzed out because of the bandwagon was seriously too much and i want the dude lynched this game, better would be on a ml since its hard to say. Like this guy is def scummy and seems fake af but i dont want to waste mls
On liabilities d1, hes still getting 100% speedlynched if we hammer mafia d1.

I rereand desmond up to page 7 and he again showed to be self concious, he also kinda team told with hellfire and his vote on me was seroously scummy: he outed a weak read on me and put me at "
L-2 or l-1 depending in if he knew the count, anyway.

Today we lynch in desmon/hellfire and i strongly advise not to vote outside.

VOTE: desmond

The scum players that worry me are bbt blake and tenshii, rest should be clear town for today

[Desmond]

For general knowledge, more often than not I tend to read the thread, make up my mind about players and all, then I get very lazy and instead of pointing out what certain posts made me think what, I just write my thoughts in general. In my case this is normal behavior, you may and should expect it and I do so both as mafia and as town.

I wanted to do reads list, but Cloud asks for attention. @"I like" your first post:

Ayy, i dont believe in Rv so i am going to vote mafia, since its towny to vote mafia

VOTE: CloudKicker

So dandy. Mocking your own philosophy and logic behind self vote. Just...it was not funny, seems rather cocky move.

But I honestly do not like your last post. Placing vote on me would be fine if not for:
1. First you townread me early in the game pretty clearly which is absolute bollocks. Yes, go knock yourself out in shouting "I think (s)he is town", but really... By then I hadn't provided any normal content for you to follow, so what did you like for town? My town title? Peaceful turtle? You make no sense. And then you basically get angry that I vote you for scum. Now with my unvote, possibilities of accusing me become wider. Otherwise you would have just been FoS'ing me back - eye for the eye, vote for the vote. And that would look scummy.

Question: why would you get angry in the first place (for me saying you are scum, after you did courtesy of townreading me)? Most likely answer: because you are scum! And I am onto you - something you did not foresee of happening.

2. I understand your read list in a way that there must be 2 scum as per setup. So, you filtered your two scum. For you I am scum, because I voted you, because I spoke to Hellfire. Well, guess what - I find you scummy, so I vote you and I also spoke to TurkishDelight. Why aren't you teaming me up with him, heh? Because you can't. Because Hellfire is an easy target. Everybody can lynch him, it is a safest lynch for mafia so far if Hellfire is not mafia himself. And, explain this in detail please:

I rereand desmond up to page 7 and he again showed to be self concious, he also kinda team told with hellfire

What exactly did I team tell to Hellfire? Attention here is on word "exactly". And if you manage to reread me only up to page 7, you are not too much invested. You just look for excuse to vote me and what, page 7 is where the excuse ends?

To clarify my whole second point: my problems are that you vote me on assumed generalities, gathered from only my partial posts where it suits you; you finger me back when I remove vote and you can't be accused of FoS or OMGUS voting straightforward. AND you teaming me up with Hellfire makes no sense whatsoever. Where are the bloody evidence? Hellfire is not a priority to be lynched, he is an easy target, that is why you chose him.

3.

Town that i am 90% sure : rask, drone, turkish in that order
Town : tenshii
Towny but a few scumtels, either town or good mafia :blake

People i am lynching this game : hellfire and desmond

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The scum players that worry me are bbt blake and tenshii, rest should be clear town for today

In this one same post, you call Tenshii town, and then you call him scum. Cloud, your logic has holes bigger than all holes from cheese added together. More over, how the bloody hell can you call someone "90% sure of being town", especially this early in the game?! The only logical reason I can find is if you are scum, thus you know them to be town, they are strong in what they do so you try to win their favor. PLUS, giving the biggest pool of your "90% town", I have little doubt that you are hiding your scum mate in that pool.

Which now begs for rask, drone and turkish to be reread to determine which of them is most likely your buddy.

All in all: VOTE: CloudKicker

[CloudKicker]

Sude lol chill out, my first read on your firts post wasnt a hard read, alors that post was great and you changed my mind VOTE: hellfire

[CloudKicker]

Udesmond srly i sais that i worry about them as mafia, bot that i scumread them. You can say that thoses are the ppl i am most confident my reads can be wrong here based on their skills or other stuff

[CloudKicker]

Its funny when you poke a scummy player and then hes replying and bleeding town. Desmond is wrong and the point he relieved on me are based on misunderstanding but Its a towny post nonetheless. Just ger hellfire

[Blakebtb23]

Cloud, so what did you think about Hellfire's posts when he was L-1? Did they move you off of him being 100% scum? I read it as he was a clueless newbie town giving up. IMO, there are three scenarios that his plea could have been:

1. Hellfire is clueless townie sort of giving up and expecting to be lynched. He stated that he only played very casual 10-30 minute games of IRL mafia so that supports this. If all of his posts were truths then I think he is town
2. Hellfire is actually very experienced and is using his newbie status to create a charade. His strat would be 1: act clueless, 2: Revenge vote someone that votes him to get more suspicion on him, 3: write out his rehearsed spazzy replies to get himself exonerated as a dumb newbie town. There is some prior evidence that supports that he knew more than he let on.
3. Hellfire is a newbie clueless scum and gave a spastic reply that luckily sounded like town to most of the people here.

I think scenario 2 seems very hard to pull off, scenario 3 is unlikely because his plea sounded genuine and towny. So I think it's scenario 1 and i'm thinking he's town.

Its funny when you poke a scummy player and then hes replying and bleeding town. Desmond is wrong and the point he relieved on me are based on misunderstanding but Its a towny post nonetheless. Just ger hellfire

So now you think desmond is towny and hellfire is your only suspect. Do you have any read on the other scum?

[Blakebtb23]

Okay... Let's pretend this vote is not a shout out OMGUS. At least you back your reads I guess.

Okay, what's so suspicious in my interactions with Rask and why I shouldn't be taking your action as a jump on an existing wagon?
And I'm still waiting for an answer on Desmond and Tenshii's reads.

Tenshii's read was kind of proccess of elimination, I had towny reads on a decent amount of people but not much of a read on tenshii, I thought drone was scum so if it turned out that drone wasn't scum, then there wasn't many people I thought it could be except Tenshii who just recently voted for you.

Desmond I had a small read off his tone near the beginning of the game, but his latest post was very towny, even if I don't completely agree with cloud being scum yet.

Rask said you were scum for suggesting to lynch cloud if Hellfire flips town. If you were scum then that'd be a super strong play, but if you were very confident that at least 1 of cloud/hellfire is scum, than it's be a good play for town but a very risky one.

Also, while rereading, I noticed Turkish did the same thing that Rask accused Drone of

I again had a quick skim. Having a guest from Ankara for the entire week (i'm in istanbul). So far, i think that one of the hellfire/cloud is town and other is mafia, too. And agreeing drone's post on first lynching hellfire and if flips town we can lynch cloud. I'm not voting cos i dont know the vote count and dont wanna hammer right away if someone is L-1.

We kind of thought turkish was town after his fight with cloud, but maybe he needs to be reconsidered.

[Blakebtb23]

Also, one more thing I noticed:

@Raskolnikov: I somehow believe he is clueless vanilla. He is a distraction right now. Voting him creates a wagon where any townie and any scum can join reasoning "Yeah yeah, I agree with everybody that he is scummy". Too easy.

Part of me would like to lynch Hellfire to eliminate the distraction. But I am too much used to analyzing wagons after any lynch occurs. And this wagon gives us very very little. CloudKicker on the other hand, has said a lot, shouted a lot, people have moved on and off his wagon and I do not trust him. So my vote stays on CloudKicker.

What's so sudden about Drone?

We can also lynch lurkers. Has IC ever been lynched Day-1?

Desmond posts these two posts shortly after Rask strongly accuses Drone. First he suggests to lynch Hellfire, then he inquires about Drone, using the word "sudden" to make it seem like its a bad lynch. Then the next post is the most suspicious to me, randomly throwing out that we should lynch the lurker at the same time that Rasks accusal of Drone is going on. He may have been trying to divert attention away from drone in these two posts.

So I think there is a possibility that it is desmond+drone. Desmonds latest post makes me less confident on this because it was very towny. My vote is stays on drone tho.

[Drone]

I don't believe in PoE, but it's legitimate I guess.

I didn't get my answer from Rask, and that makes your accusations on me quite null. I'm pretty sure that if I'm still trying to figure her trail of thoughts, you can't really answer what's behind it all.
Basically I think you're jumping on a forming wagon out of comfort.

I agree with your point on Turkish, though so that's something.

[Drone]

Spoiler: Never stops throwing shade

Also, one more thing I noticed:

@Raskolnikov: I somehow believe he is clueless vanilla. He is a distraction right now. Voting him creates a wagon where any townie and any scum can join reasoning "Yeah yeah, I agree with everybody that he is scummy". Too easy.

Part of me would like to lynch Hellfire to eliminate the distraction. But I am too much used to analyzing wagons after any lynch occurs. And this wagon gives us very very little. CloudKicker on the other hand, has said a lot, shouted a lot, people have moved on and off his wagon and I do not trust him. So my vote stays on CloudKicker.

What's so sudden about Drone?

We can also lynch lurkers. Has IC ever been lynched Day-1?

Desmond posts these two posts shortly after Rask strongly accuses Drone. First he suggests to lynch Hellfire, then he inquires about Drone, using the word "sudden" to make it seem like its a bad lynch. Then the next post is the most suspicious to me, randomly throwing out that we should lynch the lurker at the same time that Rasks accusal of Drone is going on. He may have been trying to divert attention away from drone in these two posts.

So I think there is a possibility that it is desmond+drone. Desmonds latest post makes me less confident on this because it was very towny. My vote is stays on drone tho.[/quote]

I'm getting tired.

[Drone]

Why is Desmond's latest posts seem towny to you?

[Blakebtb23]

I think desmond made some good points about cloudkicker's contradictory statements, specifically when he called cloudkicker out on teaming desmond+hellfire together, because I also did not see any evidence that pairs the two.

Also I think as a new forum player these long posts with fancy terminology automatically seem towny to me, just because I'm not used to reading well thought out arguments and am more used to reading verbal cues and tells, so I will make a more concious effort to not think of long posts automatically as towny.

Desmond also said that cloud is trying to get the easy lynch with hellfire, which I would agree is somewhat scummy, but cloud's tone has seemed towny so I am conflicted on which of them two to trust. I want to see what Cloud says about hellfire and see if his position changed at all.

[CloudKicker]

Its funny when you poke a scummy player and then hes replying and bleeding town. Desmond is wrong and the point he relieved on me are based on misunderstanding but Its a towny post nonetheless. Just ger hellfire

[CloudKicker]

Weird my client posted the last thing i posted on my phone.

[CloudKicker]

About blake : i didnt out why they team told, so saying i contradicted myself for not outing my evidence is a lie. My read hasnt been explained, its bot contradictory and that fact that you fail to get the same read doesnt make mine false or contradictory. Also, easy lynches are somtimea scum you know. The fact that i made a concsious effort not to instant lynch hell and unvoted, then voted outside(desmond) proves that im not pushing for an easy lynch. Also, meta for me :

- as mafia i wouldnt put myself out there and hard push on a noob flipping town -> i would stay back and attack strongs players from townreading eachothers but i am prpbably good enough to pull it off regardless but anyway, thats what i would do

[Blakebtb23]

Cloud, what do you think about my post about hellfire, and how likely do you still think it is that he's mafia?

[CloudKicker]

Very likely

[CloudKicker]

I just dont buy that he a noob. He ask how to read ppl then he talks about people lurking and how its scummy. Thats at the top of my heand but its complete bullshit and he takes us as re***d if he thinks ima buy that

[Drone]

I actually kinda agree with Rask's calling off the Hellfire wagon, he's getting into shape little by little and we have accumulated quite the number of unheard voices.
Tenshii would be a good start, BBT and Turkish.
I also hope we get a post from Raskolnikov themself for they're V/LA most weekends.

[CloudKicker]

I dont think anyone understand that hellfire is getting lynched this game, he is never going to be night killed this scummy no reads and a vanilla claim on L-1

[grapes]

DAY 1 VOTECOUNT 05

Drone (3):

Raskolnikov, Tenshii, Blakebtb23

Cloudkicker (2):

BlueBloodedToffee, Desmond

Blakebtb23 (1):

Drone

Hellfire Missile (1):

Cloudkicker

Not Voting (2):

The Turkish Delight, Hellfire Missile

With 9 votes in play, 5 are needed to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2016-11-05 23:00:02)

LAZERHAWK - SO FAR AWAY ♬

[The Turkish Delight]

Sorry guys i've been offline too much. And seems like its gonna continiue like this. If i knew this from the begining i wouldnt join to the game. I'm going contentless for 3-4 days now. It can go like this. I should be replaced.

Grapes, apologise for this but we need a replacement.

[Blakebtb23]

DAY 1 VOTECOUNT 05

Cloudkicker (2):

BlueBloodedToffee, Desmond

Drone (2):

Raskolnikov, Tenshii

Blakebtb23 (1):

Drone

Hellfire Missile (1):

Cloudkicker

Not Voting (3):

Blakebtb23, The Turkish Delight, Hellfire Missile

With 9 votes in play, 5 are needed to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2016-11-05 23:00:02)

LAZERHAWK - SO FAR AWAY ♬

I voted for drone in post 292

-Fixed. Would help if you voted on a separate line. And got an avatar!

[grapes]

The Turkish Delight has requested replacement. Searching now.