Newbie 1752: Wave - Game Over

[Blakebtb23]

I dont think anyone understand that hellfire is getting lynched this game, he is never going to be night killed this scummy no reads and a vanilla claim on L-1

Hmm now that I think about it, if hellfire is a vanilla townie, scum would want to keep him in the game and not lynch him tonight because
1. he is a vanilla townie, mafia can pressure a potential pr player to be lynched/claim role today instead
2. They know he is a vanilla town so they can never nightkill him and get a better shot at killing a pr player
3. Due to the possibility that hellfire is a experienced player pretending to be newbie, scum knows that hellfire will most likely be lynched eventually and they can let the other townies do that work some day in the future.

So if this is correct we can look at who is protecting hellfire because i think it would be in scum's interest to protect hellfire whether he is town or scum.
Rask and drone both protected him. I think in rask's case rask was a town that got the read off hellfire's plea that he is also town, and then accused drone because she had a genuine read on him being mafia.

Alternatively, Hellfire is a very experienced scum and is playing a character, I agree with cloud that we should not rule out this possibility yet.
As of now I would be fine with lynching hellfire if we don't have a strong mafia read, because I believe there is a legit (~35%) chance that he is scum, but I would rather try to lynch a different mafia that we are more sure about

[CloudKicker]

Hellfire isnt an experienced scum, at worst hes a acum who tried to appear noobie, so a noob scum. At best hes a really awkward noob town. There isnt a world where hellfire is good scum or good town

[Drone]

Blake is buddying Raskolnikov. Called it.
I recommend a wagon.

[Hellfire Missile]

I just dont buy that he a noob. He ask how to read ppl then he talks about people lurking and how its scummy. Thats at the top of my heand but its complete bullshit and he takes us as re***d if he thinks ima buy that

"Lurking is the act of intentionally not posting during a game Day. This is not to be confused with not having access at all, which can range from a legitimate excuse to flaking.
Lurking is a profoundly defensive strategy. In exchange for not providing any information to the Town, lurkers render themselves very difficult to lynch due to the lack of information needed to build a convincing reason to lynch them (beyond the obvious excuse "they're lurking"). These are both negative traits as far as the Town is concerned; in addition to being unhelpful for finding others' alignments, they're unhelpful for displaying their own. Thus, lurking is a preferable strategy for scum if they are allowed to get away with it, as they provide no help to the Town and can simply wait as the active players self-destruct on each other."

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From here: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Lurking

On the wiki if it happens that i cant add links

[Raskolnikov]

rereading

[Raskolnikov]

I think TKD and blake are both super obvtown.

[Drone]

Don't know about tkd, but I disagree with Blake.

[Drone]

Tell me, why Blake is obv town?

[Raskolnikov]

Want tenshii to explain his reads, even though they're pretty close to my own.

[Raskolnikov]

Cloud, your logic has holes bigger than all holes from cheese added together.

[Raskolnikov]

Desmond what are your reads on drone and tenshii?

[Blakebtb23]

I didn't vote you yet, but I might missile. While you're right that Cloud's posting pattern is inconsistent, he begs for us to give him a shot. I've decided to do so. I AM going to lynch him if you flip town though.

I again had a quick skim. Having a guest from Ankara for the entire week (i'm in istanbul). So far, i think that one of the hellfire/cloud is town and other is mafia, too. And agreeing drone's post on first lynching hellfire and if flips town we can lynch cloud. I'm not voting cos i dont know the vote count and dont wanna hammer right away if someone is L-1.

@Rask, drone and turkish basically said the same thing here, drone's quote made you sure he was scum while you think Turkish is obvtown, what makes you differ in your reads?

[Raskolnikov]

Tell me, why Blake is obv town?

He's like theorising advanced wagon mechanics already this early, and his analysis on hellfire is super deep for someone he's not even pushing.
It's not even casting doubt I think, because it seems pretty balanced/unbiased. If you want to cast doubt you're supposed to make things look worse than they are.

What is your read on tenshii and desmond?

[Hellfire Missile]

I just dont buy that he a noob. He ask how to read ppl then he talks about people lurking and how its scummy. Thats at the top of my heand but its complete bullshit and he takes us as re***d if he thinks ima buy that

"Lurking is the act of intentionally not posting during a game Day. This is not to be confused with not having access at all, which can range from a legitimate excuse to flaking.
Lurking is a profoundly defensive strategy. In exchange for not providing any information to the Town, lurkers render themselves very difficult to lynch due to the lack of information needed to build a convincing reason to lynch them (beyond the obvious excuse "they're lurking"). These are both negative traits as far as the Town is concerned; in addition to being unhelpful for finding others' alignments, they're unhelpful for displaying their own. Thus, lurking is a preferable strategy for scum if they are allowed to get away with it, as they provide no help to the Town and can simply wait as the active players self-destruct on each other."

(More but don't wanna fill up"

From here: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Lurking

On the wiki if it happens that i cant add links

Whoops
*(More but don't wanna fill up)

On a related note, not this quote, Cloud, why are you SO convinced i'm mafia? Other than, A. I tried to "hammer" you, or B. "He knows all about (x) stuff and (y) thing/word/whatever" (I get all this stuff in the wiki, I've already said this, have spare time at school)

Reasons/Explain please, not just some random thing yeah? For real okay, don't just ignore me. Don't really want anyone else, this is directed at YOU cloud

[Hellfire Missile]

I didn't vote you yet, but I might missile. While you're right that Cloud's posting pattern is inconsistent, he begs for us to give him a shot. I've decided to do so. I AM going to lynch him if you flip town though.

I again had a quick skim. Having a guest from Ankara for the entire week (i'm in istanbul). So far, i think that one of the hellfire/cloud is town and other is mafia, too. And agreeing drone's post on first lynching hellfire and if flips town we can lynch cloud. I'm not voting cos i dont know the vote count and dont wanna hammer right away if someone is L-1.

@Rask, drone and turkish basically said the same thing here, drone's quote made you sure he was scum while you think Turkish is obvtown, what makes you differ in your reads?

ya know, Turk asked to be replaced

Does that mean you guys are gonna analyze his posts still and wait for the new guy to come in and add Turk's + New guy posts together to get a role?

[Hellfire Missile]

Sude lol chill out, my first read on your firts post wasnt a hard read, alors that post was great and you changed my mind VOTE: hellfire

What happened to spelling?

(Phone?)

[Raskolnikov]

@Rask, drone and turkish basically said the same thing here, drone's quote made you sure he was scum while you think Turkish is obvtown, what makes you differ in your reads?

TKD is new but I think maybe drone should know better than to use that (pretty weak) logic.
I townread TKD for his earlier posts, plus tbh I'd probably be pressuring drone even if he didn't say that.

[Raskolnikov]

Does that mean you guys are gonna analyze his posts still and wait for the new guy to come in and add Turk's + New guy posts together to get a role?

Alignment, yeah. Some people like to forget about the old and judge the new, but most people try to consider all the players who played in the "player-slot" together.

In an ideal world, replacements actually help read a slot accurately because it gives you more chances/greater sample size. But in practice it's usually just random what happens. I doubt anything will change the townread I got on TKD though.

[Drone]

My reads on Tenshii are null close to null-scum. While I'm fine with his earlier post, he formed a wagon on me with your vote seldom giving a reason.
While I still believe Tenshii might have a reason and he didn't give it yet due to inactivity, his sudden absence worries me.
I at least hope he's gonna give a reason sooner or later.

Desmond is appearing townier with each post but still stays in the null zone. I like his confidence, and I like what's being said in his posts. If I wouldn't have rested my case on Cloud, I would have used Desmond's points on Cloud too.
But it was my interactions with you Rask that caused me to retract my will to lynch him, either today or tomorrow.
Desmond's showing towny signs and it can't agree with Cloud's judgments on Desmond.

[Drone]

Also Rask, a comment on one of your suspicions on me; I play different in every game intentionally. Me being impulsive only contributes to this tendency, I believe in being unreadable.

Let's talk about me wanting to lynch Cloud day 2 if Hellfire flips town awhile ago.
I admit it's screams scum. And it also gives scum more room to slip in between our fingers, but I was really really annoyed with Cloud's logic and reasoning.
Seeing that most of the town was sheeping that made go "wtf". I got so annoyed that I just gave up and let it go, hence why I threw that comment out.

After your comment, something made rethink and now I'm pretty sure that lynching Cloud is a very bad idea.

[Drone]

Like, so sure that I have full theory about it, and this game in general. Of course there are some holes, like BBT's absence, Tenshii's absence and Blake's dilemma.

Can you gave me more of as to why Blake's obv town?

[Drone]

Hell fire is 1 mafia, the last 1/3 scum pool is tenshii, BBT and Desmond

Pretty much my thoughts.

This btw, infuriated me somewhat.
In general I get the feeling Cloud is completely out of it and just causes unnecessary arguments to take over.

[Raskolnikov]

Tell me, why Blake is obv town?

Hellfire what are your reads, now that you've had a chance to relax?

[Raskolnikov]

Whoops, quote.

[grapes]

Charloux replaces in for The Turkish Delight! Please welcome him to the game.