Mini Normal 1841 - At The End... (GAME OVER)

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: xnadrojx

You're past your expiration date

[iraonavp]

Okay, I support it.

VOTE: JarJarDrinks

[MathBlade]

Dunn's vote (while I like where it is placed) is terribad naked and contradictory.

Iroanavp's naked vote is terribad too.

Let me know when you want to play mafia where posts have reasons.

[Manuel87]

We're lynching jarjar/nadr.

NO. JARJAR IS TOWN BECAUSE SCUM PUSHED HIM AT THE START OF TODAY.

...Why aren't we listening to the confirmed townie here?

Maybe because him being conftown doesnt mean his reads are good?
Newsflash he lynched 2 townies.
But its true he has an amazing achievment of watching claimed JK. /sacrasm

S_S is less Town to me looking thru his ISO but the original townread on him came from the way Infinity was speaking about him

So you scumread S_S based on JarJars case now or do you just want to sheep him?

@JarJar: Dont you think you could use the exact same arguments against Jordan?

@S_S, Dong, Ira: Can you explain your votes on JarJar because i have yet to see a reason to lynch/vote him.

[JarJarDrinks]

Dunn, do you townread S_S?

[Something_Smart]

JarJar, can you answer my questions in 1817 please?

@Manuel: because his push on me all game, but particularly his recent case, is weak, not a natural thought progression, and obviously reaching to justify an incorrect conclusion in ways unlikely to be town caught in a tunnel.

[JarJarDrinks]

Do you think that I could have realistically expected you to NOT push my lynch? Given the lack of support for your lynch thus far, do you think I would expect such a veiled threat to effectively deter you from pushing me?

Fair points. Probably not.

I guess it's more likely that you were just trying to justify your eventual vote on me.

[JarJarDrinks]

I'll also ask you what is your definition of doing something?

scumhunting, voicing your reads and/or reasoning, trying to push a lynch, etc...

[Something_Smart]

Do you think that I could have realistically expected you to NOT push my lynch? Given the lack of support for your lynch thus far, do you think I would expect such a veiled threat to effectively deter you from pushing me?

Fair points. Probably not.

I guess it's more likely that you were just trying to justify your eventual vote on me.

I had already voted you and made my scumread on you known in previous days. I could have justified an immediate vote on you if I had wanted to.

I'll also ask you what is your definition of doing something?

scumhunting, voicing your reads and/or reasoning, trying to push a lynch, etc...

Scumhunting- I don't think if you look at my posts from an unbiased perspective (and granted, you are unable to do that, either because you're town stuck in a tunnel or scum faking it), that you could say I haven't been scumhunting.
Voicing reads and/or reasoning- I will admit that I haven't done much of this since day 1, but to be honest, there hasn't been much need to. I was absent for basically all of day 2, and there was a guilty on day 3 and I obviously wasn't dying, so I didn't feel it useful to voice my reads then either.
Trying to push a lynch- Similar to the previous, I did this on day 1, didn't have a chance to on day 2, and didn't need to on day 3.

If you're trying to compare me to you, I think our content levels were comparable day 1. Day 2 wasn't a fair fight because of my V/LA, and the fact that you pushed Infinity hard day 3 means diddly-squat.

[MathBlade]

Do you think that I could have realistically expected you to NOT push my lynch? Given the lack of support for your lynch thus far, do you think I would expect such a veiled threat to effectively deter you from pushing me?

Fair points. Probably not.

I guess it's more likely that you were just trying to justify your eventual vote on me.

I had already voted you and made my scumread on you known in previous days. I could have justified an immediate vote on you if I had wanted to.

I'll also ask you what is your definition of doing something?

scumhunting, voicing your reads and/or reasoning, trying to push a lynch, etc...

Scumhunting- I don't think if you look at my posts from an unbiased perspective (and granted, you are unable to do that, either because you're town stuck in a tunnel or scum faking it), that you could say I haven't been scumhunting.
Voicing reads and/or reasoning- I will admit that I haven't done much of this since day 1, but to be honest, there hasn't been much need to. I was absent for basically all of day 2, and there was a guilty on day 3 and I obviously wasn't dying, so I didn't feel it useful to voice my reads then either.
Trying to push a lynch- Similar to the previous, I did this on day 1, didn't have a chance to on day 2, and didn't need to on day 3.

If you're trying to compare me to you, I think our content levels were comparable day 1. Day 2 wasn't a fair fight because of my V/LA, and the fact that you pushed Infinity hard day 3 means diddly-squat.

Bullshit. Even if you believed Infinity was scum there is always a need to hunt partners unless there are no scum remaining. You are either horribad town that has a guilty conscience for not doing anything on D3 or you are scum. I am leaning towards town with a guilty conscience but this post is terribad.

In the prior game I played with you you gave no shits about how you were perceived. Why the sudden shift?

Conftown means unbiased and uninfluenced. He knew he was dying and we should be considering what happened that day and what happened before the guilty and what happened afterward.

[MathBlade]

[L-0] LYNCH Creature - [7] iraonavp, Transcend, Zachstralkita, Infinity 324, Mathblade, Gamma Emerald, Dunnstral

For example I know I am town.
We know Transcend,Zach,Gamma all town
This means either Iroanavp or Dunnstral are partners with Infinity or the lynch had only one scum on it.

[MathBlade]

[LYNCH] Transcend - [7] iraonavp, XnadrojX, Mathblade, Infinity 324, Gamma Emerald, Transcend, Dunnstral

This lynch had Iroanavp and Dunnstral and XnadrojX. I find it very probable that all three scum were on this lynch. Infinity Jordan and one of Dunnstral/Iroanavp

[MathBlade]

[LYNCH]Infinity 324 - [6] Gamma Emerald, JarJarDrinks, Mathblade, Dongempire, Manuel87, Infinity 324

Now look at who is off the wagon and who is on it.

Those of you voting for JarJar are seriously saying that JarJar avoided two mislynch wagons as scum and then was early on JarJar when other people tried to float theories of not lynching obv scum.

Dunnstral is the common link here. A JarJar lynch reeks of attempting to lynch a player who was seen as scummy on D1 rather than an inherent belief JarJar is scum. This JarJar wagon sucks and we should lynch Jordan.

[Something_Smart]

Bullshit. Even if you believed Infinity was scum there is always a need to hunt partners unless there are no scum remaining.

Okay, fair enough. But I just didn't see a need to publicize that. There's nothing I could have said tomorrow that I couldn't say today.

You are either horribad town that has a guilty conscience for not doing anything on D3 or you are scum. I am leaning towards town with a guilty conscience but this post is terribad.

I hope you realize that what goes on in my head and what goes on in my posts are not always congruous, particularly when there was no question as to what the result of Day 3 was going to be. Now, I don't mind if you object to me waiting until today to start hunting Infinity's partners on the grounds of town always being completely open, but you can't call it "terribad"... at worst it's not contributing where no contribution is needed. And I don't have a guilty conscience; I don't think I did anything wrong, just maybe a bit lazy.

In the prior game I played with you you gave no shits about how you were perceived. Why the sudden shift?

Well, for one, people are actually giving reasons to scumread me this game, so I can actually push against them. And for two, I'm needling JarJar about his read on me not to get him to change it but rather to read HIM.

[Dunnstral]

Dunn, do you townread S_S?

not particularly


Mathblade you're the one derailing the game with your conspiracy theories

[Something_Smart]

Oh also, VCA like the kind you're doing is terrible and easily manipulated.

[MathBlade]

Oh also, VCA like the kind you're doing is terrible and easily manipulated.

VCA is not terrible. It has caught scum before in numerous games and why they are doing things. Don't knock it til you know it.

[Something_Smart]

Can I knock it since I've consistently fooled it as scum?

[MathBlade]

Dunn, do you townread S_S?

not particularly


Mathblade you're the one derailing the game with your conspiracy theories

Really? Conspiracy theories?

There is a conspiracy and it's called scum. My theories are toward hunting scum finding them, and lynching them. So yes by definition they are conspiracy theories. The slander of me instead of actually attacking the arguments is noted.

[MathBlade]

Can I knock it since I've consistently fooled it as scum?

You've never fooled someone who uses it correctly then. VCA is independent of beliefs. It is directly who voted town and who voted scum. If scum are going to be so blatant as to not play to their own wincon then there comes a point when they are so townie they are in fact a town member but eventually they will have to switch and that switch will be caught on VCA. VCA is one of the best tools there is towards catching scum.

[Something_Smart]

Bussing is not playing against your wincon.

[MathBlade]

No it isn't. It's a matter of how well you bus. There's a fine line that scum have to play. Bus too much and you are a de facto town member til you have to switch. It's not playing against win con because you're hiding yourself from scrutiny. What we can tell is that jarjar didn't take mislynch opportunities when offered and being on the infinity lynch early makes him very likely town regardless of the weird vibes I get from him. If he is scum he'll have to start mislynching townies and then he'd be exposed. I do not want to lynch one of the towniest players here based on nothing more than "gut" when no one else wants to make a "jar jar is scum" argument. It's lazy apathetic and ridiculous. I will not let scum mislynch JarJar.

[Something_Smart]

Okay then
VOTE: Mathblade

[Dunnstral]

you're just arguing to be annoying

we're voting the same person

[MathBlade]

With 8 Alive, It Takes 5 to Lynch.

@Something Smart You are really going to vote someone you've been townreading because I won't go along with your stupid lynch and you won't give reasons for it? Voting town and forcing a mislynch because you can't be convincing isn't how to win mafia. It's lynching scum. I've been working on not having a pole stuck up my butt and listening to those around me. That includes dead townies who said JAR JAR is confirmed town. Jar jar hasn't been on a single mislynch. If we mislynch JarJar then every single day from then on has to be a proper lynch or no lynch.

2 v 6 Mislynch Jar Jar & Scum NK someone
2 v 4 -- Lynch Proper or No lynch & scum NK someone
1/2 v 3 -- Lynch Proper or No lynch is the last day

If you really think JarJar is scum stop throwing a temper tantrum with your vote and convince me because there is nothing scummy there except "vibes".