Newbie 1752: Wave - Game Over

[CloudKicker]

Kinda, desmond is a better lynch than drone

[Charloux]

My lynchpool so far consists of Blake, Desmond, Tenshi and Rasko. Let's see if i can narrow it down a bit more.

[Hellfire Missile]

@Hellfire Do you have any kind of thoughts/reads with regards to anyone or their posts? Even if the thoughts/reads seem useless or bad to you, it helps everyone else read you.

no.

Not even personality thoughts? This guy seems smart? This guy seems like a noob? This guy seems like a troll? I don't like the way this guy speaks? Anything at all?

Creature is trying to help me
That's it.

[Tenshii]

My lynchpool so far consists of Blake, Desmond, Tenshi and Rasko. Let's see if i can narrow it down a bit more.

Elaborate?

[CloudKicker]

Deadline is in 2 days guys, finalize your read sand then vote for your sr

[Desmond]

What concerns my opinion, drone is smart and he is well involved. From Drone-scum perspective kind of view, he must be this way - he must steer the lynch to his favor.

That is just to say that him compared to me, you should expect a good involvement in the game from mafia players. I do not fit that bill.

However, I also can't participate much these coming weeks and along with the prod, I am asking moderator to replace me.

UNVOTE: CloudKicker

[Charloux]

My lynchpool so far consists of Blake, Desmond, Tenshi and Rasko. Let's see if i can narrow it down a bit more.

Elaborate?

I have a reason not to vote for Drone, Creature, hell and cloud.

[grapes]

Seeking a replacement for Desmond!

[CloudKicker]

Yo desmond, even if you replace you are going to participate and end the goddam day, dont let a random dude vote 1 day left into a 2week d1, like this is complete bullshit. Even if you fos me, it will give infos from the slot so DO vote your fos

[Raskolnikov]

VOTE: hellfire

Final thoughts are
Preferred lynches (hellfire / desmond slot)
Scumpool (hellfire, desmond, creature, blake)
Probably town, if not, only scum with hellfire (tenshii, drone)
Wouldn't touch all game (cloudkicker, tkd-slot)
Obviously take new information into account, etc etc.

Doubling down on 477 WRT to tenshii, also have drone-blake and drone-tenshii as very unlikely in terms of association from drone's interactions with both.
Creature talking with hellfire would ordinarily count but may be super wifom.

[CloudKicker]

VOTE: hellfire

Final thoughts are
Preferred lynches (hellfire / desmond slot)
Scumpool (hellfire, desmond, creature, blake)
Probably town, if not, only scum with hellfire (tenshii, drone)
Wouldn't touch all game (cloudkicker, tkd-slot)
Obviously take new information into account, etc etc.

Doubling down on 477 WRT to tenshii, also have drone-blake and drone-tenshii as very unlikely in terms of association from drone's interactions with both.
Creature talking with hellfire would ordinarily count but may be super wifom.

++++++++++++++++++++++ exact same reads and in order minus swap cloud for rask

[CloudKicker]

VC PLEASE

I am asking for a hellfire wagon for the numerous reasons i explained and numerous post i made about him. I am not entirely sure he is scum but he is a really great lynch today and i dont want anyone else as much as i want to rope him, so proceed.

[Raskolnikov]

Right so, lean scum on him for the cloud vote and now putting pretty much no effort into the game, beyond "hey look at me I'm clueless". Not really any learning or like, evidence he's put real time/effort into fixing it since.

But this is partially policy. Not a concept that's necessarily easiest to grasp for newbie queue but he's by the safest, lowest-risk no-downside lynch, I'll explain:
1. Has already claimed; each additional wagon runs the risk of outing a PR which can be disastrous
2. Low value if town, probability a liability if game gets to lategame (VT claim means that if he's tow he will never be nk'd)
3. Rich on associations, based on either flip it narrows things down
But mainly it's that there's not much time to deadline so any wagon now would be frantic, risky (there wouldn't be time to reconsider based on new information), and if town would more or less leave the game in the same position as today, but in next day.

Ordinarily this stuff (utility and pro-town vs anti-town) doesn't get explicitly said/stated outside of this queue as it's generally understood, but yeah. Even then, some people like to play risky and like a hero and dislike practical/sensible and low-risk moves because it seems boring. Also something people screw up with, they think something is either policy or not-policy (black and white) when something can be a mixture, in fact "potential usefulness/downside vs upside" factors into every lynch to some degree, but especially day 1.

[grapes]

DAY 1 VOTECOUNT 11

Desmond (2):

Drone, Creature

Drone (2):

Tenshii, Blakebtb23

Hellfire Missile (2):

Cloudkicker, Raskolnikov

Not Voting (3):

Charloux, Desmond, Hellfire Missile

With 9 votes in play, 5 are needed to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2016-11-07 23:00:02)

Miami Nights 1984 - Ocean Drive

Drone is V/LA until 11/6.
Still seeking a replacement for Desmond.
Prodding Blakebtb23.

[CloudKicker]

Right so, lean scum on him for the cloud vote and now putting pretty much no effort into the game, beyond "hey look at me I'm clueless". Not really any learning or like, evidence he's put real time/effort into fixing it since.

But this is partially policy. Not a concept that's necessarily easiest to grasp for newbie queue but he's by the safest, lowest-risk no-downside lynch, I'll explain:
1. Has already claimed; each additional wagon runs the risk of outing a PR which can be disastrous
2. Low value if town, probability a liability if game gets to lategame (VT claim means that if he's tow he will never be nk'd)
3. Rich on associations, based on either flip it narrows things down
But mainly it's that there's not much time to deadline so any wagon now would be frantic, risky (there wouldn't be time to reconsider based on new information), and if town would more or less leave the game in the same position as today, but in next day.

Ordinarily this stuff (utility and pro-town vs anti-town) doesn't get explicitly said/stated outside of this queue as it's generally understood, but yeah. Even then, some people like to play risky and like a hero and dislike practical/sensible and low-risk moves because it seems boring. Also something people screw up with, they think something is either policy or not-policy (black and white) when something can be a mixture, in fact "potential usefulness/downside vs upside" factors into every lynch to some degree, but especially day 1.

This. And beside the safe nature of this lynch, it could very very well flip scum

[Tenshii]

VOTE: Hellfire

[CloudKicker]

VOTE: Hellfire

ty ily

[Blakebtb23]

VOTE: hellfire missile

[grapes]

ssbm_Kyouko replaces Desmond. Please welcome him to the game!

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'm currently reading through the thread. I'm on post 350 on page 15. I haven't had much time to analyze what I'm reading, just taking most of it at face value. So far I feel that the beef between Cloud and Hellfire is TvT and that someone scummy is trying to manipulate one or the other into lynching the opposite. I think this scummy person intends to later misconstrue this TvT as a Mafia going for an easy target, to get town to mislynch the other. These are simply my initial thoughts up to post 350. I am catching up as we speak.

For safety's sake, I will now UNVOTE: all. Do not be surprised if I revote "soon" after posting this, as I intend to catch up and formulate some hot opinions.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Just to be clear if anyone hasn't noticed we're now at L-1 on Hellfire. I currently do not have intent to hammer until I reread through some ISOs. I am still of the opinion that mafia is pulling strings in Cloud vs Hellfire. I feel that I understand why Cloud and Raskol have voted for Hellfire, but it seems strange to me that Blake and Tenshii jumped on Hellfire so quickly. Perhaps they were swayed by Raskol's post explaining the safety of lynching Hellfire. We have 2 days. This feels preemptive/rushed.

I would like to hear Blake's and Tenshii's thoughts on Hellfire, and also want to know from Blake why he didn't indicate his vote put Hellfire at L-1.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I have a reason not to vote for Drone, Creature, hell and cloud.

This isn't elaborating on why the other 4 players (Blake, Desmond/Myself, Tenshi and Rasko) are in your lynchpool, this is just restating the same thing in a slightly different way. If anything, this implies that you don't need a reason

to

vote for someone. Rather, that you are content to vote for anyone who does not give you a reason not to vote for them. Are you still in RvS with a smaller set of people to choose from?

Could you at least provide reasons as to why you would not vote for Drone, Creature, Hellfire, or Cloud? Why did you deflect Tenshii's line of questioning?

Tenshii, why did you drop this question so easily before moving on to Hellfire's wagon? My initial impression of you was that you were trying to milk information out of this D1 as you posted earlier in 392, but this feels contradictory.

Readlist:

As I've said before, I firmly believe Hell and Cloud are both town. Cloud seems full of his previous experience in chatroom Mafia. He wants to contribute to town and seems set on the idea that Hell needs to be lynched either because he is either useless to the town as a townie or is mafia pretending to be a noob. Cloud, on the other hand, feels genuinely vulnerable/insecure. He just wants to learn and gets anxious when he is put to L-1 early in D1 when he seemingly was unaware whether or not he was hammering Cloud, or whoever it was at L-2 at that point. After this failed "hammer", Cloud guns hard for hellfire because he is afraid of being lynched. A natural reaction.
Not much close attention seems to have been payed to anyone else except perhaps Drone, but maybe I misinterpreted the things I read. I lump Drone, Tenshii, and Rasko together as players whose discussion points seem to indicate that they are searching for scum. Rasko feels the most genuine of these three. Drone and Tenshii seem invested in gathering information, but I cannot tell if they are genuine or not. I consider Drone and Tenshii null, but helpful whether they are town or mafia, and am leaning towards town on Rasko.

I don't know what to think of Charloux, Blake, or Creature. Perhaps some rereading will reveal more on Blake, and when Charloux addresses my questions I expect I'll know enough to formulate a read on him. Creature posted a lot of short replies which I admittedly skimmed through, so I will also now reread his posts. Before Charloux and Creature replaced into their slots, their posts felt pretty bland.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Cloud, on the other hand, feels genuinely vulnerable/insecure

EBWOP:

Hellfire

, on the other hand, feels genuinely vulnerable/insecure

[Creature]

Okay

UNVOTE:

[Creature]

Not sure now.