Newbie 1752: Wave - Game Over

[Charloux]

@ssbm: Townread on Drone, slight townread on hell, slight townread on cloud based on his posts after my FOS on him. Town Creature is a very strong asset after some time passes, so i will leave him alone today. Null reads on everybody else-is what i would say, but Blake's naked L-1 vote seems too much for me. VOTE: Blake

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Posts 491-495 by Creature look like you were posting a stream of consciousness as you reread the thread but without any reference to what you were reading when you made the posts. It's hard for me to follow what you're basing your replies on, but you got me thinking more about TKD.

For anyone, what's your opinion on Turkish's early game? Was it forced or genuine?

I feel like very early on (first 5 posts ISO) Turk was forcing playfulness which does not seem to be in line with how helpful he was being to Hellfire later on. It also stands out against how defensive he gets when he starts arguing with Cloud about how saying "I'm town" is scummy behavior. After Turk gets replaced, Charloux comes in, claiming to have not read the first 13 pages of the game (469). This does not sit right with me. Why would a towny pass on the opportunity to look for clues to what people's roles are? The only reasonable explanations to me are that he is either towny not playing to his wincon or mafia and doesn't need any info to find out who is town because he already knows. His next post 503 following voices the opinion that "those replacements aren't doing anything. If [they] were scum, [they] could just keep quiet and let the game end", yet he seems to be doing exactly that while trying to appear not to. He isn't keeping quiet, but he isn't saying anything either. In 504 He implies Cloud has something to hide, but in the immediately following post 551, Cloud is suspiciously missing from his lynchpool. I don't see much posted between these posts besides maybe when Cloud says he thinks I'm a better lynch than Drone. I think Charloux takes Cloud off his list rather easily because he sees Cloud is potentially easy to lead into mislynching someone later on. In His next post he deflects Tenshii's question.

It seems clear to me that Charloux is the one with something to hide. I have my suspicions about who he may be working with but for now he is the only person I have reason to call out.

VOTE: Charloux

Also I'm going to bed. How's that for a

hot opinion

?

[Creature]

Posts 491-495 by Creature look like you were posting a stream of consciousness as you reread the thread but without any reference to what you were reading when you made the posts. It's hard for me to follow what you're basing your replies on, but you got me thinking more about TKD.

Depends what posts were you looking at.

When I make reads I mostly take all posts in general rather than a single couple of some.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I didn't think you'd reply before bed. I don't understand where you get Drone townread from. I agree that the "naked L-1" vote was a bit scummy especially after the earlier drama between Cloud and Hell earlier on, but I don't know yet if it was intentional. Maybe he thought I'd hop on since I had just replaced Desmond. Like I said, I really feel like Drone, Tenshii, and Raskol have been helpful to town in similarly NAI ways. Is there anything specific about what Drone said that you're liking for town or is it just a feeling right now?

Also @Creature I was specifically looking at your posts #491-495, there are no other players posting in there and I just wondered what you had looked at between the posts since there was such a gap between them.

[Creature]

The only reasonable explanations to me are that he is either towny not playing to his wincon or mafia and doesn't need any info to find out who is town because he already knows.

Lazy tell

Though, the irony is funny.

[Creature]

492 is an ISO reread, not something Blake posted recently.

[Creature]

Okay, I'll take another look at Drone.

[Creature]

He had some bad posts, but most of his posts sound natural.

[CloudKicker]

Zzzz ill have to reread apparently UNVOTE: hell and im glad desmond slot can now be readable with seemingly good reads so far. Will read after work

[Raskolnikov]

I'm gone this weekend, back monday.

PLEASE lynch hellfire before the deadline ends, or someone else in my lynchpool at least, anything but nolynch. I played a game where deadline ran out and that happened because everyone was all like "I've never had that happen d1" and complacent lazy and scum lurked and didn't vote and it was really bad.

[Hellfire Missile]

TBH after thinking about the sorta scummy things scum players do, I realize that actually i act the most scummy. As cloud pointed out, scum will(sometimes?) create contradictions. I know it's self-incriminating, but i do agree with all the reasons everyone pointed out. If lynched, it doesn't really matter. If not lynched, then i'm useless. I don't actually contribute to this thread.

So far, it's just other people defending me, which makes me feel kinda bad (can't do it my self)


Like, if you guys do decide to lynch me, i will actually understand.

[CloudKicker]

Then self, i hate wifom from the deep of my heart VOTE: hellfire out your read and self

[CloudKicker]

Like charloux isnt getting lynched today ever, i am not going back on 20 pages of reads last minute so kyouko's vote is wasted, same for any vote on drone. Hellfire is getting lynched this game like i said about a hundred time and i prefer it is on d1 than on lylo. Imagine we get to ml 2 towns and hellfire is still alive on lylo ? Yes no thank you

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I think we should make the most of the time we have to try to find a good option for someone to lynch before we default to what looks to like the "least bad" option in Hellfire. Those that stay quiet now should arouse suspicion later on if we ml hellfire.

@Cloud: I get that you and hellfire have been arguing a lot, but why can't you bench it for now and let others feel some pressure of investigation? The spotlight has been on the two of you all game and if you're both town, as I suspect, it would benefit you to try to look beyond the focus of most of this day to find who has been fanning the flames, or who has been sitting idly by while town attacks town.

I feel it's safe to say Hell will be lynched by the deadline if things stay as stale as they are, and if we can't come up with anything definitive he'll likely be lynched anyways to prevent the awkward situation where we have to question if he was faking VI in a later LyLo situation

[CloudKicker]

Youre right but this is an awfully boring way to play, i just want a flip at this point and i seriously doubt anything we get in the future 2 days will guide my reads tomorow if everyone just ends up voting hell.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I get that it's boring and I agree that it seems unlikely that anything huge will come out to cause people to agree to lynch anyone besides hell. With patience we can give players who haven't really voiced much of their own opinions to come up with something to co tribute preflip when all the town has the same info. After a flip, mafia can be more free with the info they've had the whole time because now town has some of the same info. Again, those that don't voice something now prelynch are more likely to be scummy than those that do, in my opinion. Scum may use this as an opportunity to clear themselves by outting some reads, but these can be later scrutinized given the information a towny should have as of now, prelynch.

[grapes]

DAY 1 VOTECOUNT 12

Hellfire Missile (4):

Raskolnikov, Tenshii, Blakebtb23, Cloudkicker

(L-1)

ssbm_Kyouko (1):

Drone

Blakebtb23 (1):

Charloux

Charloux (1):

ssbm_Kyouko

Not Voting (2):

Hellfire Missile, Creature

With 9 votes in play, 5 are needed to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2016-11-07 23:00:02)

Comodo & Eli Way - Rain

[Creature]

585 doesn't strike me as scum trying to act emotional by selfhammering.

[Creature]

If we leave Hellfire alive today, we should aim to get scum either today or tomorrow.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also @mod Charloux voted Blake in 575

[ssbm_Kyouko]

If we leave Hellfire alive today, we should aim to get scum either today or tomorrow.

By either today or tomorrow do you mean within the deadline for day 1, as in the real world today or tomorrow? Or do you mean either today (Day 1) or tomorrow (Day 2)? Second one doesn't really make sense but that's how it read at first for me.

(I've had a couple drinks tonight, just looking for clarification)

I think it's safe to say Hellfire isn't going to provide anything else useful to us in this day cycle if we let him sit on L-4, so if Blake and Tenshii want to chip in now on why they're voting Hellfire before he flips, (which seems to me to be the foregone conclusion of the day cycle) it would be helpful. Hopefully drone comes back with enough time to evaluate this all before deadline.

Whether Charloux is deflecting or not in 375 is WIFOM for me so I'll assume that either way he raises a valid concern about the seemingly wagon vote Blake cast on Hell. Depending on when they came online after Cloud's appeal to wagon Hell, it could have just as easily been Tenshii putting Hell to L-1, but it wasn't. I think hearing something from each of them about why they wagoned onto Hell would be enough information for the day, though I'd like to get more. I'm surprised the Cloud-Hell drama lasted as long as it did, but at this point I don't think anything significant will come.

[Creature]

Day 1 or Day 2.

I am afraid of something bad happening in LyLo (MyLo at least is okay).

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I think I follow. I also think we're getting somewhere now.

[Drone]

UNVOTE: Kyouku
Liking the way you're not easily spreading town reads.

[Charloux]

@Mod:

VOTE: Blake

Well, it doesn't matter either way...
If it's a lynch or no lynch, i would hammer anybody, myself included, if it helps at all.