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[MortFeld]

I did read my posts to see where I made up reasons for the vote and I'm only seeing the part about scum exploiting lynchbait reactions.

[MortFeld]

Ok, I see from 248 how you could have gotten the wrong idea. It was phrased poorly.

[Toto]

Okay. I'm not suspicious of you at the moment, just to clarify.
I really wouldn't mind creeps at L-1 to be honest. I don't think a omgushammer is likely and even in worst case scenario I don't think he's going to be of much help after today, even if he does flip green.

Drone, do you agree?

Scum slip? I don't see how you could have mistaken anyone for Drone at the time.

HS does confuse names a lot in my experience

[Toto]

ThinkBig's read/vote progression seems a bit weird.

1) Creep or Misa is scum. Main wagon on Creep but I'm going to vote Misa.
2) Vote copper
3) Misa not scum anymore?

[MisaTange]

I feel like Copper bragging about their win percentage is LAMIST. Even if you win as town 80% of the time, what if this game is the 20% of the time you lose? This doesn't take in account confounding variables, i.e.:

• Scummy town
  
• Towns gambitting
  
• People unfamiliar their meta (either as town or scum)
  
• Scum with good logic
  So on and so forth...

302 vibes weird to me, as he knows that I'll notice if he doesn't answer questions and I'm still not sure Creeps is newbscum or newbtown.

[Drone]

Spoiler: Early Stage

Misa switching back to Naomi reads like someone afraid to not have a vote on someone at this stage of the game to me. Scummy, but I'm not convinced she's scum.

Creeps entrance is pretty awkward, mainly because I don't understand what he's trying to say.

Contradictory on Misa part, Uzi.

Anyways I feel like misatange is scum by ignoring thinkbig who voted drone and voted for someone else who did essentially the same.
VOTE: Misatange

The wait was caused by a few tech difficulties

Liking this, and all other posts pointing this.

DUDE I WAS FRIQQIN SLEEPING I WAKE UP AT UNGODLY HOURS I LITERALLY CANNOT DEFEND WHEN I'M SLEEPING

Also I have one vote so I can put pressure on only one of the two people who did that

Since I now believe that is NAI, I believe early votes work much better if they get put in a confirmed, but not yet posted, slot. I understand timezones/work/school/etc, but it gives some incentive to post (a person with a lack of posts is unhelpful at best, and worst case scenario, people scumread inactivity).

I actually voted Naomi instead of Chaos literally just because I remember her one of the few people who has a 2+ year old account, I forgot what the other one is

Also Creeps has an awkward reaction to Copper's RvS vote. If we're going by meta, he acted a little bit more calmly towards the RvS vote previously, but this makes me curious. And also Creeps have played Forum Mafia in other forums as well.

VOTE: Creeps

Lol wut?

Hold on. You voted Naomi basically randomly. Then you switched to Copper for something you thought was slightly scummy. I assume you now believe it's NAI, otherwise you wouldn't switch your vote. If neither Naomi nor Copper have done anything alignment indicative, why switch back to Naomi?

Why didn't you answer this Misa? I still don't know why you switched to Naomi from Copper.

Anyways I feel like misatange is scum by ignoring thinkbig who voted drone and voted for someone else who did essentially the same.
VOTE: Misatange

Why does this make her scum? i.e. why would scum be more likely to do this than town?

Thanks. Agree, was very awkward.

Creeps, do you have a particular reason you didn't participate in RVS?

I too much hands are pointed everywhere.

I need a Creeps translator again.

"Too much fingers to point. Not enough answers"
And I am suggesting maf brothers.

Why would scum!Misa, knowing that her scum buddy voted an unconfirmed, cast suspicion on someone else who did the same?

As for RVS, it seems like random voting is what generates the material that leads to answers. Saying 'there are too many people voting and too many to vote' isn't a reason not to participate in RVS.

In all honesty I ignore threads when they are in RvS. And besides it never ends well when I do vote. If no one noticed that would have went well for ignoring thinkbig.

Ignoring threads in RVS and bad things happen when you vote? Why would town want to keep you? It's incredibly scummy.

In all honesty I ignore threads when they are in RvS.

I think we found the source of your 'EVERYBODY SCUMREADS ME' problem.

+

Nah that is not the cause. It's because I am always scummy.

Again, why should we keep you?

If you're worried about lynching a town by mistake, a. we have a couple of MLs so it's not

too

big, b. there is a likely chance that someone, if not themselves, will defend someone in some certain way. This is also my experience as a 'scummy town if town' type of person. Hell, I've being shat on and voted on to hell and back again and people

are

still defending me. RvS is for pressure. It's how we break the ice.

Unlike you I have an uncanny habit of mslynching power roles in RvS. No seriously I do.

Was intending to comment only on Creeps but, Misa seems very cool with mislynching.
Oh and.. Again why should town keep you Creeps..?

I understand that Misa voted Copper and not TB. Your sentence does not explain how voting Copper for a specific reason, when TB did the same thing as Copper, is a reasonable scum strategy.

Can we just quit this? I need to study some past quotes. This is going to be WIFOM.

No it won't, and no we can't. You're giving terrible vibes and drawing attention without anyone throwing shade at your. Better be backing yourself, no?

Hold on. You voted Naomi basically randomly. Then you switched to Copper for something you thought was slightly scummy. I assume you now believe it's NAI, otherwise you wouldn't switch your vote. If neither Naomi nor Copper have done anything alignment indicative, why switch back to Naomi?

Why didn't you answer this Misa? I still don't know why you switched to Naomi from Copper.

Anyways I feel like misatange is scum by ignoring thinkbig who voted drone and voted for someone else who did essentially the same.
VOTE: Misatange

Why does this make her scum? i.e. why would scum be more likely to do this than town?

Thanks. Agree, was very awkward.

Creeps, do you have a particular reason you didn't participate in RVS?

I too much hands are pointed everywhere.

I need a Creeps translator again.

"Too much fingers to point. Not enough answers"
And I am suggesting maf brothers.

Why would scum!Misa, knowing that her scum buddy voted an unconfirmed, cast suspicion on someone else who did the same?

As for RVS, it seems like random voting is what generates the material that leads to answers. Saying 'there are too many people voting and too many to vote' isn't a reason not to participate in RVS.

In all honesty I ignore threads when they are in RvS. And besides it never ends well when I do vote. If no one noticed that would have went well for ignoring thinkbig.

During RVS, I randomly voted for Drone, mainly because I have played with him (albeit briefly) before and not because he was unconfirmed.

Voting for unconfirmed players is a decent strategy, if only to build pressure and ensure that they confirm and join the game.

So you randomly voted me cause we played before. Is it random really?

Spoiler:

Why did you change your vote from creeps to copper?

Don't feel like answering this.

So it will be fine if I'll vote you and not feel like answering too? What would everyone think of this?

My other reason for voting Misa over creeps was so he wouldn't be at L-2 and L-1 so early in the DP.

And as I said, this is not a reason to vote someone. Why not put Creeps at L-1 to see what Copper does?

Why did you change your vote from creeps to copper?

Don't feel like answering this.

Why not?

I already did. Partially. But what I said is good enough.

Actually, it is a reason and even a good one, to have two wagons going, that is.

Okay. I'm not suspicious of you at the moment, just to clarify.
I really wouldn't mind creeps at L-1 to be honest. I don't think a omgushammer is likely and even in worst case scenario I don't think he's going to be of much help after today, even if he does flip green.

Drone, do you agree?

Too obvious to buddy, too weird to ignore. At this point I was already confirmed but V/LA. What was the purpose behind this?

In the games I've

red

and been in off site, I've only seen town players do that.

Scumtell?

Joking. Just thought that was funny.

Unnecessary fluff..

Shit son. You're the freaking idiot who says scum can be lynchbait. Lynchbait means a person who is easily mislynched. SCUM CAN'T BE MISLYNCHED.

If you're town I'm sorry

There is no "mis" in lynchbait you idiot, so no it does not mean that, it means someone that is easily lynched and SCUM CAN BE AN EASY LYNCH AS WELL.

I have been playing this game likely for more years than you have lived, I also have for sure the highest win-rate as scum and third party on this forum (as I have never lost) and I doubt there are many players with a better town win-rate (closing in on 80% now) so I know what I am talking about and you do not.

Attitude please.

You're an arrogant dick

@mod can you clarify language and personal issues rules?

Creeps can you please respond to 294?

I don't like to respond to people who I think are scum

@Copper - I guess it could be. I don't know how to not waste a day and get at least 1 vote of me. I have been terrible at defences and shall always be.

@Uzi - It doesn't count as normal? Oh.

Can you start playing?

ThinkBig's read/vote progression seems a bit weird.

1) Creep or Misa is scum. Main wagon on Creep but I'm going to vote Misa.
2) Vote copper
3) Misa not scum anymore?

Creep is way too scum to be scum if you'd ask me.. Not liking Copper wagon, btw.

Beware, the spoilers are walls but are important to read imo.

Creeps needs to work on his play and address his flaws as a town player.
Clearly he is a town unless his whole persona is a WIFOM.
Doesn't seem that possible coming from him.

HS, if not that redirection to inactive me, I would have only asked for reads. I asked my question to you in the spoilers.

Misa and Mort both feel scum to me, the worst part is that they are on the same level.

VOTE: Mort

[copper223]

The only point I am making there is that I have played the game enough to know what a term means.

I don't know how you come up with LAMIST when the stats for all alignments are mentioned.

Seems like you're trying to prepare the ground for a vote on me if I become a viable wagon while while still fence sitting on Creeps, if that's the case I'm annoyed I got your read wrong before when some players were talking about you overselling on Creeps

[Creeps20]

Drone why are you voting mort field when (last time I checked) misa had a larger wagon on him? And you explicitly said they were both scum?

[TwoFace]

I honestly don't see how anyone is scum reading mort. His posts look very town.

[Human Sequencer]

Well, I wasn't expecting literally 150 posts to come home to. Walls inbound.

Spoiler: Drone question

I asked Drone specifically because he was AFK, to call him into the thread. I chose him over Loli because Key had told us he had confirmed, so I thought he might be lurking the thread. With a question out in the open, he had no excuse to keep passively reading.
I didn't realize Key told us he was V/LA. Sorry about that.

Spoiler: Twoface

This is horrible to me. Why does this only ping you now that you're on the wagon? This isn't easy to miss-- Post 108 was a topical point of conversation ever since Mort's vote. You only bring it up once you've already got a vote you have to justify. This comes right on the heels of Mort backtracking because he made a mistake.
Copper touches on this soon after and an argument ensues-- I don't understand how none of you can see the same contradiction Copper and I just did.

Spoiler: Mort

I think post 241 isn't really accurate, because I don't think that Mort had offended onto Copper much at all. I assumed Mort was still going to re-evaluate but just didn't have the time. But Mort's response is telling nonetheless, he sticks to it and keeps pushing when he comes across resistance, which is a

CLEAR CONTRADICTION

. With this in mind, read post 221 again. As Town, Mort would truly want to re-evaluate his read on Copper, because the misunderstanding inherently changes how scummy Copper might appear in Mort's eyes. As Scum, he doesn't actually have to do that because it doesn't coincide with his win condition, and therefore is a lot easier to forget. This is incredibly scummy to me.

Spoiler: Random commentary

The end of page 11 derails into Copper logically explaining his perspective and Mort/TwoFace decrying him with a whole bunch of ad hom, having run out of actual threads to follow. It's music to my ears. Copper's ego also comically comes out.

Spoiler: More on Mort

I don't see town motivation to avoid answering questions, especially when those questions are very obviously not meant to entrap.

Why did you change your vote from creeps to copper?

Don't feel like answering this.

This is why I pushed on asking why you didn't answer. Because I don't see town motivation to avoid answering questions.

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@MOD, Could we please have a vote count?

If Mort isn't at L-1, I want to put him there.

Also, @Copper commenting on my lack of activity compared to last game somewhere in there.
All of the action is happening while I'm away in this game, so instead of being frustrated at nothing happening and trying to make things happen, I'm playing catch up with everybody else.

[Human Sequencer]

That wasn't nearly as wally as I thought it would be.

If I missed anything directed at me or otherwise, feel free to bring it to my attention.

[copper223]

@HS
What are your thoughts on Creeps and TB?

[Drone]

I'll agree with twoface about his most recent posts, but the earlier stages point otherwise.

@Creeps
Because Misa had her fill with wagon on her and I feel like Mort needs a bit pushing.
How about you'll answer my questions instead Creeps?

[Drone]

By the way, TB is in an interesting spot in this game. He of all needs to give more explanations than anyone else, his lack of activity allows him much room to avoid questions. Just a notice though, this is a common practice for him.
The only reason he's null to me.

[Drone]

I wonder what Mort and Misa think of each other?

[Human Sequencer]

I think Creeps is silly. He might be a liability later on, but he isn't worth lynching yet.
ThinkBig needs to post more. I'm not entirely sure yet.

[copper223]

Just a notice though, this is a common practice for him.
The only reason he's null to me.

Noted.

@HS
Fair enough.

[keyenpeydee]

Vote Count

VOTE COUNT 1.07

[2] MisaTange - ChaosOmega, Toto,
[1] ThinkBig - copper223,
[0] Toto -
[0] Lohikäärme -
[0] Drone -
[2] copper223 - TwoFace, ThinkBig
[1] Human Sequencer - Mortfeld,
[2] MortFeld - Creeps20, Drone,
[0] Lil Uzi Vert -
[0] TwoFace -
[0] Naomi-Tan -
[0] ChaosOmega -
[3] Creeps20 - Human Sequencer, MisaTange, Lil Uzi Vert,

Not Voting

- Lohikäärme

MOD NOTES:

Lohikäärme has (expired on 2016-11-07 15:40:00) to post or I'll replace her. Sorry for the delay of the Vote Counts. I have school.

V/LA:

ThinkBig

With

13

Alive, it takes

7

to lynch. Day One will end in

(expired on 2016-11-18 10:00:00)

[Human Sequencer]

VOTE: MortFeld

[TwoFace]

I asked Drone specifically because he was AFK, to call him into the thread. I chose him over Loli because Key had told us he had confirmed, so I thought he might be lurking the thread. With a question out in the open, he had no excuse to keep passively reading.
I didn't realize Key told us he was V/LA. Sorry about that.

The mod said he confirmed and was v/la I'm the same post, possibly the same sentence. I don't buy for a minute you saw one and not the other. Try again

[Human Sequencer]

Alright.
I didn't realize key told us he was V/LA. Sorry about that.

[TwoFace]

Impossible

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yeah I'm not really understanding the case for Mort. The question thing is valid though as it's weird he didn't want to answer again but when I originally read why he didn't want to, I felt genuine frustration.

Drone, could you please sit with me and tell me how Creeps is clearly town? Also are you thin-skinned? I ask because the posts you quoted that ultimately led you to call for the mod to clarify on language and personal issues seem pretty soft to me.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Alright.
I didn't realize key told us he was V/LA. Sorry about that.

Yeah I don't buy this at all.

[Drone]

Can you confirm they didn't? If so they're lying on purpose. As town they'd have no purpose to lie about that.
You should be concluding they're scum, you should be voting them, no?
Anything else, you're throwing shade.

Pedit: same for Uzi.

I'm not thin skinned, I just can't tolerate a game played this way. It's written in my wiki page that I'm harsh with a habit of being intolerant towards negative attitude.

About Creeps:
There's absolutely no reason why town would want to keep him alive, yet this behaviour is just way too scummy. As I said, he it might be WIFOM, but highly unlikely.