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[Human Sequencer]

Mort reads heaps better here.
UNVOTE:

[copper223]

Meh I don't know, Mort could be throwing TF under the buss now that there is more of a wagon on him, if at any point either flips scum the other is a very likely candidate (please remember this).

There are other possible scenarios, I might comment on this further along the day if I think it becomes relevant.

[keyenpeydee]

VC 1.10 that I messed up. We'll edit some other time.

[Human Sequencer]

I've been considering what you told us to remember since post 333.

[Drone]

I'm actually feeling better with Mort after his recent posts. The other way around for TwoFace

VOTE: TwoFace

[TwoFace]

I see TwoFace's push on the lynchbait semantic deal as starting to look scummy. I don't see how either of your arguments pertains to the game. It seems like TwoFace is voting Copper just because Copper doesn't understand TwoFace's argument, which scum or town might do.

No im voting copper for the reason I gave when I voted. The stuff afterwards doesn't make me feel better about him so I see no reason to ease up.

[Toto]

Spoiler: The Catch Up Wall

Sorry copper. Scum can't be lynchbait cause the goal is to lynch scum.

This is objectively false.

Scum can definitely be lynchbait because that's about your playstile and not what alignment you roll in a game, what happens when a player that is lynchbait as town plays another game and rolls scum, he magically becomes not lynchbait?

Thinkbig, why did you vote for Copper?

TB is not explaining himself, you are making stuff up, which one looks scummier to you?

The point is I did not know he was lynchbait when I could have pushed him to get a reaction or I was already on his wagon when I said I thought he was, either way what you are saying does not work chronologically.

I am v/la as I mentioned. I'll try to answer in this post.

Okay Mort, you are at the very least pretending to game solve and maybe it was just us butting heads because we are seeing things very differently from our own perspectives.

I don't see much (other than him being less active, but the same goes, much more so, with Toto) from HS that points at him being a different aligment from our recent game where he was town.

I have my theory on the drone comment but I want to hear what he says first.

VOTE: ThinkBig
You are next on the: why did you jump on the copper wagon list, you appear to also be game avoiding. I also want to hear your answer to Mort's questions.

What is your theory on the Drone question?

As far as copper, the reason why I voted for copper is because of him twisting the lynchbait discussion. For now, I will unvote.

UNVOTE: Copper

Hey all,

I am on V/LA until after the election on Tuesday

. The majority of my posts are coming from my iPhone. Therefore, my posts may not be able to be as substantive as I'd normally like it to be.

TB can you answer my post regarding your read/vote progression? How does that make sense?

[Human Sequencer]

I'm still not sure on TwoFace. I don't think pressurizing him will really get us anywhere, and I don't think lynching him is a good idea.
For the record, I still read him pretty neutral.

We really need others to weigh in. People like Chaos, Naomi, Loli and Misa.
TB is of course V/LA.

[Toto]

I've been trying to follow the lynchbait discussion and to be honest I'm not making too much sense of it. It seems like a small thing that somehow got into a big discussion, and some people are trying to make scum reads based on it which makes me think there is one scum in there {2face, copper, mort}

[MortFeld]

TB's explanation for his vote on Copper references something Copper did after TB voted Copper.

HS looks more town.

I want to run TB up but V/LA is a shield. Well, I'm going to run TB up. If I decide I'd rather lynch someone else I'll vote them.

VOTE: TB

[TwoFace]

HS looks more town.

How?

[Human Sequencer]

This is true. Good pickup.

That's enough to get me on board. I think we'll get a lot more out of this.

VOTE: ThinkBig

[MortFeld]

HS looks more town.

How?

Reason for scumminess was lurkiness + Drone comment. Drone comment explanation satisfied me and they are less lurky. I agree with their analysis of lynchbait deal (and disagree with yours). I didn't say they were my top townread, just that they look more town - as in, not my top scum read.

[Toto]

I feel like Copper bragging about their win percentage is LAMIST. Even if you win as town 80% of the time, what if this game is the 20% of the time you lose? This doesn't take in account confounding variables, i.e.:

• Scummy town
  
• Towns gambitting
  
• People unfamiliar their meta (either as town or scum)
  
• Scum with good logic
  So on and so forth...

I don't understand what you mean with your list, how does that relate to what copper said?

[copper223]

I've been trying to follow the lynchbait discussion and to be honest I'm not making too much sense of it. It seems like a small thing that somehow got into a big discussion, and some people are trying to make scum reads based on it which makes me think there is one scum in there {2face, copper, mort}

Okay, I'll give you an example that should explain why I found it very relevant.

You, Toto, believe that the sky is blue.

I, copper, believe that the sky is orange.

I then say: Toto said the sky is blue, but the sky is orange, so Toto is lying.

I follow that up with: I know that Toto believes the sky is blue.

If I say both of those things, then the one that is lying is me and not you, do you follow? Now apply that to the lynchbait discussion.

[MortFeld]

Jeez I'm getting this latent feeling like scum are closing in and globbing onto things I do. Must mean things I do are anti-town.

This is true. Good pickup.

That's enough to get me on board. I think we'll get a lot more out of this.

VOTE: ThinkBig

I'm voting TB because I think he's scum. What associations do you see, or rather, what do we get from a TB lynch other than dead scum?

I missed that Misa post. I don't like it. Don't see how bragging about win percentages is LAMIST when he bragged about how good he is as scum too.

[MortFeld]

And yes I know I said HS is looking more town, but the way they so quickly voted TB after me felt weird.

[copper223]

@Mort
If both you and TF are town then both TB and Misa are very good scum candidates, it also means Chaos and Creeps are likely town.

[Creeps20]

Can you confirm they didn't? If so they're lying on purpose. As town they'd have no purpose to lie about that.
You should be concluding they're scum, you should be voting them, no?
Anything else, you're throwing shade.

Pedit: same for Uzi.

I'm not thin skinned, I just can't tolerate a game played this way. It's written in my wiki page that I'm harsh with a habit of being intolerant towards negative attitude.

About Creeps:
There's absolutely no reason why town would want to keep him alive, yet this behaviour is just way too scummy. As I said, he it might be WIFOM, but highly unlikely.

No there is a reason. You just don't know what it is yet. And I won't reveal.

[Human Sequencer]

We entice TB into posting more.
We get to see what people think about TB once he becomes the main topic of conversation.
We get to see TB under pressure.

It's a lot better than sitting around and twiddling our thumbs, I believe.

[MortFeld]

@Copper can you explain those briefly? Sorry for asking you to spoonfeed, if you don't want to I'll go pore through the thread.

If you're correct then TwoFace is probably scum because I cannot see Creeps being town in any world - yes, WIFOM, but it's like he read MS wiki pages and decided to do all of the things the wiki listed as scum behavior.

We entice TB into posting more.
We get to see what people think about TB once he becomes the main topic of conversation.
We get to see TB under pressure.

It's a lot better than sitting around and twiddling our thumbs, I believe.

With a lot of days left, fair.

[TwoFace]

because I cannot see Creeps being town in any world

Really?

[keyenpeydee]

Vote Count

VOTE COUNT 1.11

[2] MisaTange - ChaosOmega, Toto,
[3] ThinkBig - copper223, Mortfeld, Human Sequencer,
[0] Toto -
[0] Lohikäärme -
[0] Drone -
[1] copper223 - TwoFace,
[1] Human Sequencer -
[1] MortFeld - Creeps20,
[0] Lil Uzi Vert -
[1] TwoFace - Drone,
[0] Naomi-Tan -
[0] ChaosOmega -
[2] Creeps20 - MisaTange, Lil Uzi Vert,

Not Voting

- Lohikäärme, ThinkBig,

MOD NOTES:

Lohikäärme has (expired on 2016-11-07 15:40:00) to post or I'll replace her. Hi Guys, Posting this early. I'm gonna sleep now and probably won't be online for many hours so Vote Counts will be delayed again.

V/LA:

ThinkBig

With

13

Alive, it takes

7

to lynch. Day One will end in

(expired on 2016-11-18 10:00:00)

[Creeps20]

VOTE: Think big
Pressure is a town's best friend. So shall we create it? Yup

[MortFeld]

Town Creeps would be exceptionally bad and would also be refusing to even look at his own play for why people SR him, and I don't see why someone like that would be playing mafia.