Mini Normal 1841 - At The End... (GAME OVER)

[Titus]

Why?

[Something_Smart]

I'm not sure what drives you to say that "my wagon spots are terrible" when I was on hardly any wagons, and none that led to lynches. It's indicative of nothing more than me being conservative with my vote, which is a playstyle/situational thing.

You scumreading me at all because I think I'm a fairly easy to read player, and you have a decent amount of experience with me.

In any event, I think we just need your claim and then we can NL.

[MathBlade]

I can understand me as I have been on every lynch. However I ask you this: As scum why would I announce something happened to me D2? I didn't hint who intentionally to see who would rolefish and Infinity did. VCA is only part of the picture so I would encourage you to look at D2/D3 especially. It is the same reason on paper you look like scum but as scum Iroanavp acted differently (I say acted as he is banned). Dong or Manuel however are my biggest scum reads.

How do you get the SS scumread based on VCA? I have him as if I am wrong on Manuel or Dong but more than likely because he is my third scumread and this is MyLO he goes in my town camp.

Yeah, this doesn't look wierd at all how you bend over backwards to defend SS...

His wagon spots are just terrible and your vca is summary.

1) I did not "bend over backwards" to defend SS.
2) VCA is a collection of facts. Those facts lead to conclusions. I understand that VCA can seem manipulative because it is commonly used as bias enforcing.

For example it is a fact I was on all the wagons.
It is also a fact that Iroanavp was in the first slot on day one and day two and not on infinity's wagon.
Those are facts.

If I was the kind to rely on VCA exclusively I would tunnel Titus into the ground but I am not.

Instead I want to know what her reads are and what questions she needs answered.
There is no reason to rush to no lynch here until Titus has caught up and said her reads and why.

When everyone is ready we can go into night.

[inspectorscout]

I feel like a bad mod when not posting, but it's kind of useless to post votecounts if nobody voted yet.

Day 5 Ends In (expired on 2016-11-22 04:15:31).

[MathBlade]

Man those crickets be a chirping. Heading to D&D won't be around til late.

[Manuel87]

I am pretty sure S_S isnt scum because he defended me in the Neighborhood before i was added.
As scum he could just sheep Maths read on me and probably get me lynched today.

I also think at least one scum is in the Neighborhood based on the Dunn kill.
He wanted to claim today and would have been pretty much confirmed town.
So JarJar + Titus is unlikely

[MathBlade]

I am pretty sure S_S isnt scum because he defended me in the Neighborhood before i was added.
As scum he could just sheep Maths read on me and probably get me lynched today.

I also think at least one scum is in the Neighborhood based on the Dunn kill.
He wanted to claim today and would have been pretty much confirmed town.
So JarJar + Titus is unlikely

So then from your PoV it is Dong + one of JarJar/Titus based on your prior post of thinking scum is in Dong, JarJar, Titus in 1942

[Manuel87]

Correct

[Donempire]

Lol, if gamma saw anyone else visit zach he wouldn't have chosen to vote just me.

but uh...dong should probably claim since that is a fuckton of PRs

Gloves on time.
Lets examine this post. Infinity was scum and hr was under suspicion at the time. As evidenced by his later posts (#1633) he thought that i had crumbed tracker for whatever reason and was asking me to claim for no apparent reason.

Now answer me this: while you are under suspicion, what is the first thing you do? Ask your mafia buddy to fucking claim right there? And with that mnay powerroles nonetheless too.
Its obvious he was fishing my role since he thought i crumbed, but i didnt. Theres absolutely no reason why a mafia member might say that to his teammate, and with no preparation its even more evident. (Since the claim came after night).
Now lets lynch jar, shall we? We're not going anywhere.

[MathBlade]

I had made it evident there was another separate power role and more than likely he did it to distance himself from you. If he looks like he is rolefishing you then people would make that assumption. The rolefish would have to have come with Infinity not under suspicion to be alignment indicative. Everything after the guilty is wine.

[MathBlade]

Furthermore thought about this on the drive:

By your own argument JarJar would be town as Infinity pushed JarJar before Gamma claimed. This would make JarJar and infinity opposite alignments and Infinity flipping scum makes JarJar town. Pushing JarJar is a huge disconnect and is very survivalistic. JarJar has been pushed each day and has been on no mislynches. You're going to have to explain your JarJar read. I think it has to do with you being likely scum.

[Titus]

I am pretty sure S_S isnt scum because he defended me in the Neighborhood before i was added.
As scum he could just sheep Maths read on me and probably get me lynched today.

I also think at least one scum is in the Neighborhood based on the Dunn kill.
He wanted to claim today and would have been pretty much confirmed town.
So JarJar + Titus is unlikely

Why can't SS sheep Math? What if they are both scum.

[Donempire]

@math in his first post
Fair enough. Depends on what logic we're going to take account for, but har isnt really innocent per se. Infinity couldve just pushed him to gain some credibility for himself before the claim went through, since jar was a requested lynch and him thinking it would give himsome credibility to bus him before anyone else isnt sorely mistaken. It could be interpretes both ways.

Furthermore thought about this on the drive:

By your own argument JarJar would be town as Infinity pushed JarJar before Gamma claimed. This would make JarJar and infinity opposite alignments and Infinity flipping scum makes JarJar town. Pushing JarJar is a huge disconnect and is very survivalistic. JarJar has been pushed each day and has been on no mislynches. You're going to have to explain your JarJar read. I think it has to do with you being likely scum.

Right, so i have to bold my responses again, so sorry if your eyes start bleeding.

Spoiler: Reply To JarJarDrinks

Infinity

- Town. It's pretty obvious that Infinity is trying to actually sort me. Reads come off as genuine even if I don't agree w/ several of them. And there's just a ton of actual scumhunting in his ISO.

i townread him too. though i definetely cringe a bit whenever i see the "actually trying to sort me out". World doesnt revolve around you mate

Dunnstral

- Town. Only thing I really don't like is his attacks on Zach. Other than that, reads seem to match mine alot. The whole "scum have an encryptor" thing reads very town to me. In my experience, scum just doesn't like to post WIFOM-ish stuff like that. (K after reading Zachs ISO, I now don't really mind Dunns attack there)

Okay, so if youve read zachs iso why keep the first part in? Okay who cares. Scum have an encryptor thing was mostly shitposting and nai if anything. and thats the point of the wifom dont you think smarty

iraonavp

- townlean. Wish he'd post more content but I like what he has posted. I think his points against transcend are spot on. His reads are pretty similiar to mine.

your reads arent fucking godsend you know. and this is a shit explanation, i like the content hes posted, completely useless and doesnt give readers any info.

MathBlade

- slight townlean. I really hated maths early game as his reads just seemed so bad. But there's just something about his posts that make me believe that he is truly trying to figure the game out. He just needs to drop his Dunn scumread.

your reads arent
who cares
who cares
moving on cause i agree with your read to an extent

Zachstralkita

- null, slight townlean. I was totally townreading zach before I ISO dived him but there's really not much scumhunting and he hasn't been very clear about his reads. The slight townread is basically playstyle.

so... meta? okay

AlpacaAlpaca/Manuel

- Null. Not really enough content for a good read but I think I'm starting to lean town. Very much like the pressure on Gamma.

he has posted more than enough and its actually helping town unlike a certain individual

Transcend

- null, slight scumlean. I get the impression that Transcend wants to townread me but he truly believes that I will never townread him so he keeps me as a backburner scumread. This way when I eventually (in his mind) go after him, he can just go ahead and call me scum instead of trying to convince someone that will already have his mind made up. But other than than that I like most of his townreads and scumreads and he does seem to be trying to sort people (in between his troll posts @ least).

lmfao
nice conspiracy theory

Creature

- scumlean. Not much to add. I see the same reasons for scumreading creature that everyone else has. His posts just have a guarded feel to em. Like he never wants to say more than he has to. Not my top lynch for today since there's scummier people. But I dont hate the wagon. (Actually S_S's most recent posts IS making me kinda hate the wagon)

that oughta explain

XnadrojX

- scumlean. Like I said earlier, his posts occasionally come off as faking noobness. I feel like his town read of me came out of nowhere. He could be trying to just lurk his way through the game

okay sure

Gamma Emerald

- Scum. Man for the quantity of posts in his iso, gamma doesn't say anything. Seriously, do a quick skim and look @ how much fluff is there. It's just nonsense w/ an occasional sheep vote w/o any reasoning. I dont really understand the progression of the creature read going from lynchbait to scum. Also I mentioned how I didn't like the misrep of zach which he wrote off as "I was totally misrepping on purpose".

yeah okay

Dongempire

- Scum. pointed out earlier how he said my reads weren't good. Then he asked me for a reads list after I wanted him to point out the reads he didn't like. He STILL has yet to answer what reads of my he thinks were bad. His entire ISO is pretty content-less. All of his reads are just so empty.

im astounded
seriously astounded
in case you still cant understand, i was sarcastically saying all of your reads were dogshit. but of course. but of fucking course.
depends on your perspective really. the perspective of someone who still calls me out for asking his reads list nonchalauntly.
and ive given ecplanations on any and all of my reads. so if you think they are empty, i dont give a crap. ive done my part.

Something_Smart

- Scum. Has barely posted ANY scumreads this game except for the ones @ the start of the game that he immediately said weren't real reads. Like so many of his comments are just pointing stuff out and then not commiting to an actual position. And his most recent opportunistic vote on creature just came out of nowhere.

that is ignoring most of the better things he pointed out
its like saying an end model sports car is dogshit because it cant fly and do aerobics.

then why does he come with bs reads as town!jar

Because nobody I thought was scum-aligned voted you ever...

So the fact that I've NEVER lynched town despite several players including YOU have now lynched TWO townies doesn't matter?

Like you people are seriously terrible if you think I can be scum here. You don't get just say hurr-durr-WIFOM. Explain a single anti-town thing I've done this game.

get out
VOTE: jarjar
You're confirmed now sicko, any last words?
(btw this isnt a personal attack i was calling him sicko since hes mafia pls font modkill)

I won't, no worries. I'm not that strict, last time was just a bit too much imo. I myself often swear, bad habit.(This doesn't mean that insulting is the way to go o: )

Jar, you're really that confident, explain your motives. Your response to ira was bs and i demand a real explanation on your behaviour.
My case is that claiming you arent on the lynching wagons and you havent lynched tiwn desnt hold water because
1)you havent lynched scum either, either because you arent trying to convince the town or (more likely) you are an untrustworthy scum
2)you havent stopped us from lynching town, which means you probably townread them, which makes your point obsolete

Posts focusing on scumjar. You havent bothered reading or caring about these posts, i dont feel the need to explain again.

[Something_Smart]

I'm changing my mind again aaaaaaaaah
Titus, did you claim?

[Titus]

I claim Schroedinger's Role. Very rarely is it appropriate but since there's no outstanding claims and I am universally townread, stopping here is good.

Now, are you the least bit concerned about Math protecting you?

[Something_Smart]

In what way would I be concerned?

(Also, can you just claim please? You can't advocate massclaim and then not claim; that defeats the purpose.)

[Titus]

Nah, the purpose is to force scum to claim. Since we know I am not, there's no point in giving scum that info. Like I said, the times where this is a proper move are rare. This is it.

So, why aren't you investigating if Math is white knighting you?

[MathBlade]

I claim Schroedinger's Role. Very rarely is it appropriate but since there's no outstanding claims and I am universally townread, stopping here is good.

Now, are you the least bit concerned about Math protecting you?

Aka Titus is being stubborn and claiming VT else she would CC Manuel's claim or she and Manuel are scum together. 5 town power roles would not exist that is broke as fuck especially since scum had a one shot tracker. If Titus claims anything but VT it is a scumclaim.

[Something_Smart]

Nah, the purpose is to force scum to claim. Since we know I am not, there's no point in giving scum that info. Like I said, the times where this is a proper move are rare. This is it.

So, why aren't you investigating if Math is white knighting you?

No point in whiteknighting when a town lynch ends the game

And FYI I scumread you now.

[Titus]

I claim Schroedinger's Role. Very rarely is it appropriate but since there's no outstanding claims and I am universally townread, stopping here is good.

Now, are you the least bit concerned about Math protecting you?

Aka Titus is being stubborn and claiming VT else she would CC Manuel's claim or she and Manuel are scum together. 5 town power roles would not exist that is broke as fuck especially since scum had a one shot tracker. If Titus claims anything but VT it is a scumclaim.

The only way to coherently make this argument supposes knowledge of scum roles.

I could be a PR with an overpowered scumteam or a broken setup. In fact, I just finished a game like that. I tried to use a similar argument. Obviously, I was scum.

So, are you scum?

[Titus]

Nah, the purpose is to force scum to claim. Since we know I am not, there's no point in giving scum that info. Like I said, the times where this is a proper move are rare. This is it.

So, why aren't you investigating if Math is white knighting you?

No point in whiteknighting when a town lynch ends the game

And FYI I scumread you now.

Rolefish noted and denied.

[Something_Smart]

VOTE: Titus

[MathBlade]

@Dong
For him to push Infinity in that short of time it would be a planned from the get go thing. Either a planned mislynch or bus.
Calling someone a confirmed sicko is just a scumread. I posted arguments why JarJar town arguments I stand by.

@Smart
Much more important people claim reads and are held accountable to what they say their reads are. Speaking of which did you say what your new reads are?

Pedit no.
If Titus townreads Manuel then that would be 5 power roles. As already established unless scum have three full blown PRs one of which would be a roleblocker 5 town PRs doesn't make sense. A roleblocker doesn't make sense based on NKs and how voting happened. I have been over this many many times.

Unless a game is Role Madness 5 PRs won't exist and multiple people have claimed VT.

[MathBlade]

So the only way Titus and Manuel are both town is if Titus is a VT. She townreads Manuel ergo she is VT or scum.

[MathBlade]

Back to work for me will check later tonight.