Mini Normal 1841 - At The End... (GAME OVER)

[Titus]

Basically, SS is scum and anyone who cannot see that right now is being dumb and we're at the point where all town must agree so *shrug*

We need Manuel and then the last town to stop being dumb.

[Titus]

Jar gave up and is now shittyposting.
Titus is someone i dont even need to expand on.
Can we finish this?

Sure, change your reads if town.

It took me all of a basic eyeball through the VCs to conclude SS is probably scum.

So, are you scum or intellectually lazy at the moment.

[Titus]

Oh and JarJar is practically conftown due to being the counter to dead scum.

[Titus]

I am like 95% certain Math is scum too. Math's balance argument requires knowledge if scum roles.

[Donempire]

You can call me dumb, intelectually lazy sounds like a moron trying to sound intelligent.
Claim.
Pedit
Quote it
Ppedit
Oh. Math scum. Right of course. Next you say you tr jar.
Huh

[Something_Smart]

I'm gaining confidence now, in Titus at least. Because I have been on the receiving end of a vehement town!Titus push and she doesn't seem at all the same. Plus she's kinda getting desperate now that people are calling a Titus/JarJar team.

And Titus, you were the backup mod for Walking Dead Season Finale. How closely did you follow the game? If it wasn't very closely, go and look at the VC's and then at the flips and tell me if you still believe what you said about JarJar.

[Titus]

Vote Count 2.3

JarJarDrinks- [3] Dongempire, Something_Smart, Zachstralkita
Dunnstral - [1] Infinity 324
Zachstralkita - [0]
Infinity 324 - [2] Mathblade, Dunnstral
Transcend - [2] iraonavp, XnadrojX
XnadrojX -[2] Transcend, Gamma Emerald
iraonavp-[0]
Mathblade - [0]
Manuel87 - [0]
Gamma Emerald - [0]
Dongempire - [0]
Something_Smart - [0]


Not Voting - JarJarDrinks, Manuel87

Mod Notes – Something_Smart is V/LA until Sunday.

With 12 Alive, It Takes 7 to Lynch.

Day 2 Ends In (expired on 2016-11-03 13:13:16).

Vote Count 2.4

[L-3]

JarJarDrinks- [4] Dongempire, Something_Smart, Manuel87, Transcend
Dunnstral - [1] Infinity 324
Zachstralkita - [0]
Infinity 324 - [2] Mathblade, Dunnstral
Transcend - [2] iraonavp, XnadrojX
XnadrojX -[1] Gamma Emerald
iraonavp-[0]
Mathblade - [0]
Manuel87 - [0]
Gamma Emerald - [0]
Dongempire - [0]
Something_Smart - [0]


Not Voting - JarJarDrinks, Zachstralkita

Mod Notes – Something_Smart is V/LA until Sunday.
JarJarDrinks is V/LA until Monday.
Dongempire is V/LA until Sunday.
Mathblade is V/LA until Monday.

So many V/LA's I should go on holiday or something...


With 12 Alive, It Takes 7 to Lynch.

Day 2 Ends In (expired on 2016-11-03 13:13:16).

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Vote Count 2.5

JarJarDrinks- [3] Dongempire, Something_Smart, Manuel87
Dunnstral - [1] Infinity 324
Zachstralkita - [0]
Infinity 324 - [0]

[L-2]

Transcend - [5] iraonavp, XnadrojX, Dunnstral, Zachstralkita, Mathblade
XnadrojX -[2] Gamma Emerald, Transcend
iraonavp-[0]
Mathblade - [0]
Manuel87 - [0]
Gamma Emerald - [0]
Dongempire - [0]
Something_Smart - [0]


Not Voting - JarJarDrinks

Mod Notes – Something_Smart is V/LA until Sunday.
JarJarDrinks is V/LA until Monday.
Dongempire is V/LA until Sunday.
Mathblade is V/LA until Monday.


With 12 Alive, It Takes 7 to Lynch.

Day 2 Ends In (expired on 2016-11-03 13:13:16).

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Vote Count 3.1

JarJarDrinks- [2] Infinity 324, Manuel87
Dunnstral - [0]
Infinity 324 - [2] Gamma Emerald, Mathblade
XnadrojX -[0]
iraonavp-[0]
Mathblade - [1] iraonavp
Manuel87 - [0]
Gamma Emerald - [0]
Dongempire - [0]
Something_Smart - [0]


Not Voting - JarJarDrinks, Dunnstral, XnadrojX, Dongempire, Something_Smart

Mod Notes – I was wondering if after all these days you'd like to eat rope...

With 10 Alive, It Takes 6 to Lynch.

Day 3 Ends In (expired on 2016-11-08 04:06:50).

Vote Count 3.2

JarJarDrinks- [2] Infinity 324, Manuel87
Dunnstral - [0]

[L-3]

Infinity 324 - [3] Gamma Emerald, Mathblade, JarJarDrinks
XnadrojX -[0]
iraonavp-[0]
Mathblade - [1] iraonavp
Manuel87 - [0]
Gamma Emerald - [0]
Dongempire - [0]
Something_Smart - [0]


Not Voting - Dunnstral, XnadrojX, Dongempire, Something_Smart

Mod Notes – I'll give you rope if you give me love!!!

With 10 Alive, It Takes 6 to Lynch.

Day 3 Ends In (expired on 2016-11-08 04:06:50).

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Vote Count 3.4

JarJarDrinks- [1] Infinity 324
Dunnstral - [0]

[L-2]

Infinity 324 - [4] Gamma Emerald, JarJarDrinks, Mathblade, Dongempire
XnadrojX -[0]
iraonavp-[0]
Mathblade - [0]
Manuel87 - [0]
Gamma Emerald - [0]
Dongempire - [0]
Something_Smart - [0]


Not Voting - Dunnstral, Something_Smart, Manuel87, XnadrojX,.iraonavp

Mod Notes – Quality Shitmodding

With 10 Alive, It Takes 6 to Lynch.

Day 3 Ends In (expired on 2016-11-08 04:06:50).

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[Titus]

You can call me dumb, intelectually lazy sounds like a moron trying to sound intelligent.
Claim.
Pedit
Quote it
Ppedit
Oh. Math scum. Right of course. Next you say you tr jar.
Huh

VOTE: SS

I showed where JarJar is town.

I am a VT. I am claiming because one of you/Math/SS is brainwashed. Likely you because you're engaging rather than mudslinging.

[Titus]

I'm gaining confidence now, in Titus at least. Because I have been on the receiving end of a vehement town!Titus push and she doesn't seem at all the same. Plus she's kinda getting desperate now that people are calling a Titus/JarJar team.

And Titus, you were the backup mod for Walking Dead Season Finale. How closely did you follow the game? If it wasn't very closely, go and look at the VC's and then at the flips and tell me if you still believe what you said about JarJar.

Scum can counter each other in rare instances. Yet, scum are not going to offer up another scum against a guilty.

Scum were wagon shopping against Infinity since day 2.

[JarJarDrinks]

Bussing 101

So S_S comes out of the day with a hardcore SR on Dong. He probably assumed that he's be the lynch today regardless cause of the hammer and wanted the towncred.

The only thing remotely right here is the part about Dongempire, and that's not even the main reason I scumread him. (For those of you not in the hood, Dongempire is now my top scumread due in part to that hammer.)

I'm not being lynched today.

Pick one of them (preferably Dong) and push them instead.

He then tells us he thinks mathblade is the scumbuddy.

I think the scumteam is Dongempire/Mathblade.

probably putting out some feelers to see if anyone would wagon math.

so as I pointed out earlier. His top scumread changed.

Dongempire is now my top scumread

popcorn to his biggest unclaimed scumread

Popcorn Mathblade.

Here he starts trying to justify the flipflop that is sure to come.

And ugh. I'm gonna need to check and see how often I am right versus wrong when I defend scummy people because I think that they're lynchbait (and I can think of a few times when I have incorrectly townread scum like this just off the top of my head), because I feel like I might do better just scumreading people who are scummy and leaving it at that.

I like the "ugh" @ the beginning to show us he's really struggling.

Why is it terribad? Of my two scumreads, you were the one I thought more likely to claim a PR.

Here he says he's still "scumreading" dong but he hasn't been making an effort to get him lynched.

I'm changing my mind again aaaaaaaaah

MmmHmm

And FYI I scumread you now.

VOTE: Titus

So now the flip to titus.

I was waiting until Titus claimed, but since she obviously isn't going to, I'll just say that my top scumreads now are Titus and JarJar.

Titus AND jarjar??? How do you just flip BOTH your scumreads like that? Like OK maybe you now scumread Titus sure but how is it that you're all of a sudden not scumreading Dong OR math @ this point?

The answer is because he sees a path to victory without needing to bus his partner so he just inexplicitly drops his dong scumread.

Like seriously justify your read change there S_S. There's no way.

Speaking of not being able to justify a read change:

@S_S what changed your townread on me?

My growing townread on Mathblade and my decision that scummy people are probably just scum.

Not sure what his townread on mathblade has to do w/ anything so his reason here is "You're acting scummy".


Seriously people. Dong/S_S is the scumteam.

[Something_Smart]

Not gonna respond to all of this (not yet, anyway), but:

Not sure what his townread on mathblade has to do w/ anything so his reason here is "You're acting scummy".

You don't think the fact that me townreading someone I previously scumread might have something to do with me scumreading someone I previously townread?

(Also, just for the record, Mathblade was never my top scumread. I just found it highly unlikely that Dongempire would claim anything other than VT, whereas Mathblade's setup spec could be seen as a prelude to them claiming a PR and saying, "THAT's why I knew Manuel was fake.")

[Titus]

So you think Math is the stubbornly wrong one.

OK.

Vote SS then.

We can solve which of Math/Dong is scum tomorrow.

As long as Math keeps posting like they have insider knowledge of scum roles, I have issues with your conclusion.

[JarJarDrinks]

Not gonna respond to all of this (not yet, anyway), but:

Not sure what his townread on mathblade has to do w/ anything so his reason here is "You're acting scummy".

You don't think the fact that me townreading someone I previously scumread might have something to do with me scumreading someone I previously townread?

So you're just basically saying that I'm taking his spot in your scumreads? If that's the case then why am I not taking dongs spot? Perhaps cause you don't want to bring attention to the fact that you stopped scumreading your scumbuddy for no reason?

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: Something_Smart

[Titus]

There we go. We aren't going to convince SS to scumclaimed anymore than his reads demonstrate unless Math/Dong/Empire ask questions.

For the record, if I squint I can see Mathblade being annoyingly stubborn town. They've worked themselves into insane positions to support a scumread that isn't there.

[MathBlade]

We should be no lynching today.

JK, Watcher, Neighborizer, 1 shot BP are all rated 1 point with the exception of Neighborizer which is one and a half.

1 shot tracker is 1/2 a point.

So unless scum have a universal roleblocker ninja that they didnt use to make the kill for shits and giggles then 5 PRs wouldn't exist. Titus claiming VT validates my setup spec more.

[MathBlade]

*gets out of bed*

I just woke up.

If it's mylo, why are we not no lynching? Are we afraid of an extra scumkill?

@Titus explain your hypocrisy.
@JarJar explain your craziness of voting right now.

[Titus]

We should be no lynching today.

JK, Watcher, Neighborizer, 1 shot BP are all rated 1 point with the exception of Neighborizer which is one and a half.

1 shot tracker is 1/2 a point.

So unless scum have a universal roleblocker ninja that they didnt use to make the kill for shits and giggles then 5 PRs wouldn't exist. Titus claiming VT validates my setup spec more.

I don't know where you're getting this speculation about points from. That's not how balance works.

You're looking for what validates Manuel scum, when scum need to lynch him right now.

You're basically just forcing a Groundhog Day scenario by no lynching.

[Titus]

*gets out of bed*

I just woke up.

If it's mylo, why are we not no lynching? Are we afraid of an extra scumkill?

@Titus explain your hypocrisy.
@JarJar explain your craziness of voting right now.

Not hypocrisy. Known scum = lynch. Known kill or pretend kill = lynch.

Changing minds isn't hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy is different standards for different people.

One could argue my mass claim stance was hypocritical but not my lynch stance.

[MathBlade]

We should be no lynching today.

JK, Watcher, Neighborizer, 1 shot BP are all rated 1 point with the exception of Neighborizer which is one and a half.

1 shot tracker is 1/2 a point.

So unless scum have a universal roleblocker ninja that they didnt use to make the kill for shits and giggles then 5 PRs wouldn't exist. Titus claiming VT validates my setup spec more.

I don't know where you're getting this speculation about points from. That's not how balance works.

You're looking for what validates Manuel scum, when scum need to lynch him right now.

You're basically just forcing a Groundhog Day scenario by no lynching.

That is exactly how balance works.

E.g. Mafia usually get a flat number like 5-7
Then a town PR gets anywhere from -2 (for neg utility) to like 5 or 6 for super awesome.

I took those and made a linear equation. It helps me as town and scum to do that.

Willing to cite sources as needed.

I just don't do the flat mafia base and do just the PRs and VTs get 0.

[MathBlade]

Groundhog Day? Not sure what you mean here.

Scum kill tonight and we have one more bit narrowed down. If they don't it either confirms Manuel as town or inches us closer to a draw. By no lynching we don't move closer to losing. This is MyLO ppl.

[MathBlade]

Assuming Manuel town that is a TPR of 4.5
Scum have revealed power of .5

This means the remaining two scum have really good PRs amongst them.

[MathBlade]

Or that Manuel is scum.

[Titus]

Balance works by interactions and number of scum players. I have never seen any linear equation model, because that's just you superimposing your beliefs into the thread. Every mod is different. You had this super imposition of what you felt had to be right in Wake's game. The mod won't use your equation to design a setup.

Suppose you're wrong on Manuel. Then what?

[Something_Smart]

I don't think there's much more I can contribute at this point. I don't think the odds are even 50/50 that the scumteam is Titus/JarJar but I do think it's the most likely team and I don't think further thought will improve my personal odds of finding the scum. (It seems to me that Dong feels the same way.)

I'm not going to make a case, because my cases are always terrible and people rarely listen to them anyway. I form my reads based on a multitude of small and fleeting factors that I can't write down without disrupting my concentration, and I can't remember them all (or even the majority of them) either. That's what got me lynched in Poker, because I locked in on a scumteam and didn't have more to contribute. However, I think that in this case, enough evidence has been presented that I don't need to give much more. (But just off the top of my head, read the interactions between Infinity and iraonavp. Infinity asks a lot of softball questions to ira and throws some minor shade that never really goes anywhere, and then ira ends up in the middle of his reads.)

and lol at the groundhog day reference (I actually contemplated designing a game around that movie, wonder how it would work... ) and lol at Mathblade saying that 1-shot BP is the same amount of power as watcher.