Micro 657: Vanillite Mafia (Game Over!)

[Postie]

I think Wyvern needs to go today.

Why?

[shannon]

I am a bit hesitant to change votes when algebra still hasn't provided anything, especially onto someone who is currently V/LA. For now I'll UNVOTE: and FOS TB, but i'm not putting a vote on him until we hear more

Based on what, exactly? I just checked your ISO and ctrl+f TB. You have a whole bunch of posts saying the slot is null or you can't get a read. So why the FOS?

[shannon]

@Wyvern - -

243 - "Null - Algebra/TB - I feel like these two will be key to winning, but with the amount of single\double lined posts that are only to be found here and there I can't confidently read them."

269 "I have no reads on TB/Algebra, there's nothing there, not that I can read atleast. I see that you guys are putting up all sorts of reasons why one is town/mafia, I simply have yet to see enough amount of info from either to have reads that mean anything, I can arbitrarily throw scum/town around like everyone else here seems to be doing, but you won't catch me doing it."

286 "@aero you'll also see i'm voting algebra. I want to hear from him, as I think he's the lynch today if he doesn't speak up. I don't have enough of an opinion to give reasons to why I dislike him. While I think that DH/Postie could be scum, that doesn't mean I can't be wrong. I am more than willing to consider other people, as TB is V/LA, I'm voting algebra. His inactivity is more unsettling to me than anything that dh/postie have done. I guess I didn't really express that in my posts which is my bad. I'm just hesitant to lyncyh people who haven't been talking at all, at least until we have to because we're out of time."

287 "SO'ing TB is a bit annoying, as most of his posts are earlier into the game asking very simple/basic questions that feel like he's asking just for the sake of asking, and doesn't really feel like anything. I don't really understand his reasoning behind anything that he's posted, besides the questions. I guess I was excusing it because of how early into the game it was. I'll be more critical of him moving forward, as I don't see any of his posts being town-indicative. If TB ends up being mafia I would definitely say algebra is town, or is bussing incredibly hard for a d1 micro game. I think someone has already mentioned that though. I've got a paper to write so I can't go back to find out who it was that said it originally."

Please explain how this results in a vote on Algebra, and a FOS on TB? Because it looks like a whole lotta nothing to me. Shouldn't you be voting a scum read? Instead of voting someone who would be town, if your other scum read flips scum?

[shannon]

I think Wyvern needs to go today.

Why?

I think his reads are faked for convenience. There's been a lot of emphasis placed on logical thought progression, and I just don't see it. Particularly the latest FOS on TB, which I've just posted quotes about.

To me, FOS is what you say when 1) your scum read isL-1 and you want to give them a chance to post before hammering, or 2) you're voting your top scum read and also fingering your second scum read.

But Wyvern has said that if TB flips scum, Algebra is town. And he is voting Algebra, while FOSing TB. Meanwhile, his ISO is full of comments that he has no read on TB. Super weird. Super fake. Super trying to avoid bussing to save his own wagon.

[Aeronaut]

Postie what is good about 285

[Postie]

You're pushing scum on me for bringing up people who aren't being focused currently. You are trying to get me to not talk about them.

This.

[Aeronaut]

Eh. I don't know.

I still don't have much from you why we should be voting TB? Besides "he is lurking" I feel. I'm going to need more than that.

[Aeronaut]

I guess I do sort of get the viewpoint that between TB and Wyv, it will be at least easier to interact with Wyv tomorrow than TB who right now is a whole lot of nothing

[Aeronaut]

But besides that, not much

[Postie]

I'm townreading everyone else who isn't shannon. I've explained why I think algebra, Dark Horse, and Wyv are town. If you're town you know you are. That leaves shannon and TB, and shannon is a) producing content, and b) not going to be lynched today.

[Aeronaut]

Right but just because you're townreading everyone doesn't mean we all are

[Postie]

You could say something similar for my scumread on TB. My case for town!algebra-DarkHorse-Wyv

is

my case for scum!TB. And if we're choosing between Wyv and TB, then my case for town!Wyv alone is my case for why TB should be lynched instead.

[shannon]

TL;DR Postie gets TB by POE.

[Postie]

Super trying to avoid bussing to save his own wagon.

Hey shannon, if this is what you believe, shouldn't you be okay with us lynching TB today?

[Dark Horse]

Not only is wyv signifigantly scummier but a TB lynch gives us next to nothing. Considering there might be two scum in this setup, we could go to lylo with no progress on anything this day.

[Wyvernite]

@Wyvern - -

243 - "Null - Algebra/TB - I feel like these two will be key to winning, but with the amount of single\double lined posts that are only to be found here and there I can't confidently read them."

269 "I have no reads on TB/Algebra, there's nothing there, not that I can read atleast. I see that you guys are putting up all sorts of reasons why one is town/mafia, I simply have yet to see enough amount of info from either to have reads that mean anything, I can arbitrarily throw scum/town around like everyone else here seems to be doing, but you won't catch me doing it."

286 "@aero you'll also see i'm voting algebra. I want to hear from him, as I think he's the lynch today if he doesn't speak up. I don't have enough of an opinion to give reasons to why I dislike him. While I think that DH/Postie could be scum, that doesn't mean I can't be wrong. I am more than willing to consider other people, as TB is V/LA, I'm voting algebra. His inactivity is more unsettling to me than anything that dh/postie have done. I guess I didn't really express that in my posts which is my bad. I'm just hesitant to lyncyh people who haven't been talking at all, at least until we have to because we're out of time."

287 "SO'ing TB is a bit annoying, as most of his posts are earlier into the game asking very simple/basic questions that feel like he's asking just for the sake of asking, and doesn't really feel like anything. I don't really understand his reasoning behind anything that he's posted, besides the questions. I guess I was excusing it because of how early into the game it was. I'll be more critical of him moving forward, as I don't see any of his posts being town-indicative. If TB ends up being mafia I would definitely say algebra is town, or is bussing incredibly hard for a d1 micro game. I think someone has already mentioned that though. I've got a paper to write so I can't go back to find out who it was that said it originally."

Please explain how this results in a vote on Algebra, and a FOS on TB? Because it looks like a whole lotta nothing to me. Shouldn't you be voting a scum read? Instead of voting someone who would be town, if your other scum read flips scum?

I answer exactly this question in 297

[shannon]

Super trying to avoid bussing to save his own wagon.

Hey shannon, if this is what you believe, shouldn't you be okay with us lynching TB today?

Not only is wyv signifigantly scummier but a TB lynch gives us next to nothing. Considering there might be two scum in this setup, we could go to lylo with no progress on anything this day.

Looks like DH and I are on the same wavelength

[Postie]

Not only is wyv signifigantly scummier

I'm going to have to strongly disagree here.

but a TB lynch gives us next to nothing.

If we lynch him today and he flips scum:

• algebra is cleared
  
• we're left with a pool of 4 people to choose between to lynch, all of which are actively posting

If we lynch him today and he flips town:

• we eliminate an unknown who was going to be lynched eventually anyway
  
• we don't have to keep get frustrated over the fact that he's not doing anything

If we don't lynch him today:

• we'll likely have to decide whether to lynch between him or algebra tomorrow, and if we choose wrong we lose
  
• that's not a choice I trust town with please let's not go there guys

[Postie]

• we're left with a pool of 4 people to choose between to lynch, all of which are actively posting

(From each townie's own PoV, of course; technically we're choosing between 5.)

[Postie]

Like I can already see the entire game going down the drain from here if this lynch goes through.

[Postie]

(From each townie's own PoV, of course; technically we're choosing between 5.)

Wait no I was right the first time.

[Aeronaut]

Yeah.

UNVOTE:

[Aeronaut]

Not only is wyv signifigantly scummier

I'm going to have to strongly disagree here.

but a TB lynch gives us next to nothing.

If we lynch him today and he flips scum:

• algebra is cleared
  
• we're left with a pool of 4 people to choose between to lynch, all of which are actively posting

If we lynch him today and he flips town:

• we eliminate an unknown who was going to be lynched eventually anyway
  
• we don't have to keep get frustrated over the fact that he's not doing anything

If we don't lynch him today:

• we'll likely have to decide whether to lynch between him or algebra tomorrow, and if we choose wrong we lose
  
  
• that's not a choice I trust town with please let's not go there guys

The bolded makes a lot of sense to me.

[Postie]

Excellent. Feeling better about townreading you.

Also thinking about that scenario more closely - town has to choose between two lurkers. Even with a TB townflip, we'd at least be choosing between a lurker and someone giving us content to read them off.

[Aeronaut]

But Postie, do you have any other scum reads besides DH?