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[Drone]

Mainly that, and that I didn't like the vote on Creeps.

Welp, you want to talk, let's do that

[MortFeld]

Why is the fact that wagoning day 1 is crucial for investigation and reading a reason to wagon Road in particular?

What didn't you like about the Creeps vote?

[Human Sequencer]

The way TB posts early in the game reads manufactured to me. Dishonest. This is a gut feel, but it's definitely enforcing my reasoning.

169 echoes what Uzi had already said and gotten away with, without actually adding anything to the table. The scum motivation is that this is an easy way for her to look like she's contributing information and scumhunting without actually doing either of those. She then makes an empty jab at Creeps, which I've already talked about. Creeps' posting was obviously a mess. Poking holes in it is what town had already been doing the entire time, again, TB knows that this won't draw suspicion because it's already been done before. This is an easy way for her to look like she's scumhunting, again, when really she's just poking holes in swiss cheese.

In 180 TB does similar. They reflect upon to town something that is obviously correct and cannot be argued (Mislynches are bad) and mirrors the perspective Naomi took in 134, for which Naomi caught no flak. They then make an empty jab at Mort's preceding post, despite him explaining his reasoning in that very post. Something important here-- one of TB's reasonings for voting Misa is post 77, on which she comments. But this post came from eons ago, from before TB was even in the game. They only decided to comment on it when they were asked to explain their vote, which came later. Translation: TB only formulated an opinion on why she votes Misa after she was asked to, and when she does, she mirrors the 'safe' perspective Naomi already mentioned. The scum motivation for voting Misa in the first place was that town viewed the slot as generally scummy, and it was a very safe vote to make, along with Creeps, who was her other target at the time.

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Notice that TB townreads the two people whose perspective they pilfered before.
Beyond that, she mirrors the perspective of TwoFace and Mort before her, wondering about the Drone question. Again, a perspective that has shown to be non-combative in the thread. Then she calls for activity of people who have been inactive. Really safe play, nobody can argue that we want those people to post more.

They jumped on the Copper wagon without explaining why, only explaining later when they were asked to. As Copper has pointed out, one of the three people who opportunistically jumped on his wagon is very likely scum, and I'm willing to put a lot of faith int hat claim. Mort and TF both read obvtown to me, which leaves TB, whose vote is the least well justified anyway.

As I explained in post 845, TB agreed with Copper on the lynchbait discussion, and then later decided to vote Copper for his part in the lynchbait discussion. Furthermore, as Mort has pointed out, their reasoning to vote Copper came about 15 posts after they voted Copper. Translation: TB only had to decide on why they thought Copper was scum after they were asked to.

I only just realized this now, actually.

TB, if that game is becoming increasingly difficult for you by the day, replace out.

I think that's only fair for you guys and for town. /replace requested as I really don't know how to play or what to do.

I think that's only fair for you guys | and for town.

This could be a scumslip, but I'm not willing to put too much faith into it.

The final point is that, like I said in post 845, newbies replace out of scum slots more often because they get overwhelmed and don't know what to do. What does it look like happened to TB?

This is my logic laid bare. If you can't agree with me, help me understand why not.

[MortFeld]

Ok, I'm glad I aware of all those points. Tomorrow I'll paint the picture of Green!TB and see how much sense it makes. Right now I'm going to sleep.

[Drone]

Why didn't I like the vote on Creeps? Do we need to return to my reads on Creeps which turns out I had people agreeing with me on them?
The core on Creeps was utterly unnecessary, and I don't see town motivation behind it.

[ArcAngel9]

I have a major FOS on Creeps and also on Misa. However, I don't want to put creeps at L-1, especially since Drone has yet to confirm his role.

Like this seems like the only kinda scummy post from him. As in, scum him has an FOS on both big wagons and gives himself the flexibility to join either.

I take this back. I had to really reread it but that TB Copper vote explanation really was shit. I'm not exactly sure why there's no TB/Arc wagon but lets make one.

vote:Arc

Don't start this again Nero. You will fail. I promise you love. you will. It doesn't matter if you're the mafia.

Finally a wagon I can completely get behind.

VOTE: ArcAngel

@Nero, votes outside of votetags aren't counted by this mod.

Scum found. Good job trying to divert your wagon on me?

VOTE: Human Sequencer

[Drone]

But her wagon is dead, the votes on her are withered, non removed votes that I really think people don't even mean anymore.

Btw, scum points for TF for his comment about HS wagon.

[TwoFace]

Well let's solve that issue. Idk what happened to the HS wagon but it needs to happen.

VOTE: Hs

I'll catch-up today

[ArcAngel9]

Well let's solve that issue. Idk what happened to the HS wagon but it needs to happen.

VOTE: Hs

I'll catch-up today

I have my doubts on you but this point of time I support this wagon.

[Human Sequencer]

You should also read the game instead of listening to others and letting them bias you.

The fact that you're so convinced on me as scum that you're not even bothering to read the thread before determining that I still deserve the lynch should be all the proof we need to ignore you entirely.
Infallibility isn't possible with humans.

Still townreading TF to heck though.

[TwoFace]

You should also read the game instead of listening to others and letting them bias you.

The fact that you're so convinced on me as scum that you're not even bothering to read the thread before determining that I still deserve the lynch should be all the proof we need to ignore you entirely.
Infallibility isn't possible with humans.

Still townreading TF to heck though.

The last couple pages aren't going to magically make you green

[Human Sequencer]

>my reads are based on a player's interactions at the start of the game and nothing else
lol ok

[Drone]

Lol. Mafia theory fail

[TwoFace]

>my reads are based on a player's interactions at the start of the game and nothing else
lol ok

Nice misrep

[Human Sequencer]

Thanks :^)

[keyenpeydee]

Vote Count

VOTE COUNT 1.32

[L-3]

Road Kamelot - ChaosOmega, Naomi-Tan, Drone, Lil Uzi Vert
[2] ArcAngel9 - Human Sequencer, Nero Cain,
[0] Toto -
[0] Nero Cain -
[0] Drone -
[0] DeathByWobbuffet -

[L-3]

Human Sequencer - Shadow_step, Toto, ArcAngel9, TwoFace,
[1] MortFeld - Road Kamelot,
[0] Lil Uzi Vert -
[0] TwoFace -
[0] Naomi-Tan -
[0] ChaosOmega -
[0] Shadow_step -

Not Voting

- DeathByWobbuffet, Mortfeld,

MOD NOTES:

I'll give ChaosOmega the chance until tomorrow or he'll be prodded.

V/LA:

ChaosOmega

With

13

Alive, it takes

7

to lynch. Day One will end in

(expired on 2016-11-21 15:40:00)

[Nero Cain]

You will fail.

Why tell me I'll fail and not that I'm wrong and stupid?

[Shadow_step]

Twoface, drone and Arc didn't respond to my hypo claiming suggestion, why?

I want responses for everyone.

[Shadow_step]

Am I the only one concerned that shadow is trying to get a mass roleclaim D2?

Do you actually bother to read and understand stuff or just jump to conclusion like a *insert profanity here* ?

[TwoFace]

because i didn't see it obviously.

[Road Kamelot]

tbh i think the pseudo roleclaim idea is good. but ive already claimed lol

Lotta votes came off kinda quick, wasnt expecting that. last few posts were made w the intent to be read after i was dead
Inclined to think its town that unvoted first. scum could have unvoted after seeing town do it.

Drone dont deflect my question, i asked what you misunderstood bout my ISO that made you want to vote me only after a reread, and why you didnt want o go into it.

thats unrelated to how some of your opinions felt like theyd been expressed by HS already

[Shadow_step]

because i didn't see it obviously.

How exactly did you miss it?
And you're still not responding to it?

[Shadow_step]

So this is the claiming format

Person you targetted

1. COP/GS - guilty/not guilty
2. JK/DOC -
3. Neapolitan/Vanilla cop - Vanilla/Not Vanilla
4. Follower - Informative, Protective, Manipulative, Killing, Miscellaneous
5. Watcher/Tracker - Name(s)
6. Weak Roles - Name

I think that covers everything mostly.

[TwoFace]

you aren't reading are you?

yesterday I posted

I'll catch up tomorrow

This morning I posted

I'll catch-up today

So since you obviously need some hand holding here.

I missed it because I didn't fucking see it.

I will respond to it once I get to in in my catch up. Thanks

[Human Sequencer]

I feel a lot better about Kamelot. Still could be scum, but it's getting increasingly less likely.

Shadow step is still an enigma. Null read.

We really need to get a wagon together. Town is stagnating. I don't see how anybody can read TB as green and all Arc has done is try and flip a wagon back on me.