Open 658 Making Friends and Enemies | Game Over

[Secret Agent Jin]

Also, what makes you think that Gamma/Burgerking was non-plausible theater? I don't think there was ever any danger of Burgerking getting lynched, and with Gamma being in some trouble, having a "fuck you" sort of back and forth seems like an realistic way to create distance without actually doing anything to put him in danger of getting lynched.

Are you saying that Burger King could be scum because of there back and forth?

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That is a lot of negative back and forth. Either Gamma was helping Burger distance himself and Burger is scum or Burger is town and the negative reactions were real and we take them at face value.

[Flubbernugget]

For Flubber, he seems to have a few posts wherein he interacts with him but never really says too much stuff to Flubber that could be construed as buddying. Gamma also doesnt interact with Flubber too much. It looks to me like Gamma was trying to keeo his distance so that a line couldn't be drawn between them, that screams scummy to me.

Are you saying I am scum because Gamma didn't buddy me? In hindsight, thier initial interactions with me probably were buddying.

There were less than 10 pages of content between my replace in and Gammas lynch if I recall correctly. How much interaction do you expect from that span of posting?

Do you think the case I had on Gamma was strong enough to push for thier lynch? If so, why?

[Flubbernugget]

1098 is bad.

I was also unaware that this was a multiball setup. Hmm.

[Flubbernugget]

Gamma flipped goon

People are talking about wolves but the setup only mentions goons. I am confused

[Creature]

It's multiball.

[Creature]

Okay, show's over.

VOTE: Transcend

[Transcend]

wait so i literally just steamrolled a goon d1 and my present is a fucking rope around the neck

like....

thanks?

[Dunnstral]

1098 is bad.

I was also unaware that this was a multiball setup. Hmm.

It's multiball.

Uh, no It's not? Look at the sample role pms

[Creature]

The mason is an evil faction that wins when all mafia goons are eliminated.

[mhsmith0]

Lastly notice how Transcend never tries to sell me onto the gamma wagon, and never tries to refute anything that I brought forward for Gamma. Instead he just ties me and smith to gamma and carries on his merry way. This isn't pro town what so ever. What it seems like to me is a scum trying to seem townie by trying to get townies not to vote for one player who is easy lynchbait (who could very well be scum) and vote for another.

Mhsmith says he doesn't remember Gamma being a derpy villager. While I wouldn't use those words, the one game I have played with gamma he did have some odd reads and made choices that ultimately led to him being townie lynchbait day one. Hence why I'm not as bothered by gamma.

On another note why would scum transcend try so hard to tie Smith and I to gamma. Is this a townie trying to actually figure out the game or is the scum hard busting his own partner on day one in order to earn stronger town credit and have townies take the fall post flip.

Actually In post 990, it actually doesn't make sense for scum Transcend to push for a link between smith gamma and I by trying to get the town to lynch gamma if he knows he is town. Instead the smarter scum play would be to say the lot of us are scummy to him, but not exactly sure if we are all connected so that he would have an out.

991 is the stronger possibility in attempting to assess his slot.

Aubreys last posts of substance on d1. And yeah, it's obviously possible someone would shoot a non mason just for the sake of framing transcend, but the question I have is WHY would anyone bother. Like, if you're a wolf and trans isn't, then it's realistic that trans is a mason or about to be recruited as one, which means that you're sacrificing the potential to mow down masons (not to mention the possibility you could get SUPER lucky and shoot one mason while the other fails to recruit and dies), for the sake of boosting your odds of getting just ONE mislynch in a game where you need four.

So if that was a framing kill... that doesn't make any sense. If it was trans shooting someone who went after him, that makes a lot more sense.

VOTE: transcend

[mhsmith0]

The mason is an evil faction that wins when all mafia goons are eliminated.

Io going full bastard mod, awesome

[mhsmith0]

Gamma flipped goon

People are talking about wolves but the setup only mentions goons. I am confused

I tend to refer to mafia as wolves interchangeably. I think that's the source of your confusion.

[mhsmith0]

Flubber just flipped wolf in a game that just ended

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p8492271

I may dig into that some point in the next few days.

[Io]

The mason is an evil faction that wins when all mafia goons are eliminated.

Io going full bastard mod, awesome

Damn. You guys weren't supposed to figure it out this fast.

But really this game is not multiball. Mason's do have a chat, but they are a part of the town not a separate faction. Think of it like Neighbors who know each others roles and alignments and are always town.

[Flubbernugget]

Grrrrrrr

[Secret Agent Jin]

I REALLY think that Transcend is indeed being framed. I mean, either he is being framed or he isnt. If Transcend was scum then why would he kill aubrey and bring tons of suspicion on himself. Its clear to me that Transcend is not scum.

[Creature]

I actually don't think it makes sense scum would see two townies fighting and go like: "We must kill one of them"

Maybe they were mason hunting though.

[mhsmith0]

I REALLY think that Transcend is indeed being framed. I mean, either he is being framed or he isnt. If Transcend was scum then why would he kill aubrey and bring tons of suspicion on himself. Its clear to me that Transcend is not scum.

And why would some other theoretical scum bother to make a framing kill instead of trying to target masons as is mechancially superior?

1) Trans makes a seemingly bad shot that mainly points to him
2) Someone else makes a bad shot that points to trans, gives masons more time to game solve collectively at night, and potentially drive the board going forward, in exchange for getting an easier mislynch on day 2.

#1 is a plausible thing, and arguing against it is largely making a WIFOM case
#2 is just bizarre, and very few scum would actually do that sort of thing

Therefore trans is probably just scum.

[mhsmith0]

Fwiw, that intellectually super lazy defense in 1115 makes SAJ a pretty acceptable counter-wagon if anyone is town-reading trans.

"I mean, either he is being framed or he isnt. "
...
"Its clear to me that Transcend is not scum."

[Creature]

Will be only bothered if Transcend flips town.

[mhsmith0]

Fwiw trans was town in a mini normal that just ended
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Some examples of questions that seem to be better than anything he's asked this game:

Spoiler:

Okay moving along--

If you think me and Creature are scum, why are you voting Creature when I have more momentum than him?

If you tr me, wouldn't you rather my vote NOT be on you?

You have the same two scum leans as me but idk how you can read infinity numbers or alpaca yet

Transcend looks bad. I get the impression he's trying his hardest to appear to not be invested in the game.

#nevergonnatownreadmeagain

but honestly JJD what gives you that impression? I'm the only one who's given a reads list, and I've posted the most. Clearly I'm invested in this game????

[mhsmith0]

Transcend aren't people pissed cause you won't say why mini is scum for you? Why not give the people what they want!

@trans: you proclaimed this to be a scum claim ("HARD" scum claim) in 140. Please explain how exactly it was a scum claim.

[Dunnstral]

I'm town

[Secret Agent Jin]

I'm town

Was this random or did it have a point?

[Secret Agent Jin]

I REALLY think that Transcend is indeed being framed. I mean, either he is being framed or he isnt. If Transcend was scum then why would he kill aubrey and bring tons of suspicion on himself. Its clear to me that Transcend is not scum.

And why would some other theoretical scum bother to make a framing kill instead of trying to target masons as is mechancially superior?

1) Trans makes a seemingly bad shot that mainly points to him
2) Someone else makes a bad shot that points to trans, gives masons more time to game solve collectively at night, and potentially drive the board going forward, in exchange for getting an easier mislynch on day 2.

#1 is a plausible thing, and arguing against it is largely making a WIFOM case
#2 is just bizarre, and very few scum would actually do that sort of thing

Therefore trans is probably just scum.

You make decent points i guess. My initial town read on Trans was based on my ISO of Gamma. My outlook on Trans can switch since it was just based loosely on one players/slots ISO. I am willing to give you the better end of the stick here and say that my read is malleable.