Open 658 Making Friends and Enemies | Game Over

[Dunnstral]

Why does it seem like you two don't suspect me at all

[mhsmith0]

I'm busy trying to push trans, with SAJ a potential backup option. I don't think I have a particularly notable opinion on your slot.

[mhsmith0]

I mean, you were kinda bullshitty in the game we had together where you were a wolf (although IIRC some of that popped up in your town games too, part of why I struggled to read you in that one), but I don't know that I've really seen enough from you to really sort you one way or the other. Do you think you or your predecessor did anything especially notable or interesting I should be paying attention to?

[mhsmith0]

Meh, should probably re-read trans from the mini I modded. I recall him getting super pissy in that one, will try and see how it compares. Probably doing that tomorrow.

[Transcend]

i get super pissy as both alignments

stop pretending to read me

[mhsmith0]

What should I pretend to do instead then? Because if this is town!you honestly reading me as a wolf for somehow trying to "commando" a case on you (still not sure what that means or why getting to L-3 inspired that kind of reaction), then you're basically showing that you don't actually know how to read me.

[sad1492]

...Yeah right what if Trans was framed...
So there will be two possibilities here:
Possibility 1: Trans was framed, then Tran's town and I'm looking at Tran's wagon today for scum. Both scum will be likely voting for Trans right now
Possibility 2: Trans is scum, which means Tran's scum and uhm the next scum is somewhere? He could be on the wagon or not based on his playstyle, I dont know

[mhsmith0]

If Trans was framed, there's little need for scum to bother voting him, as the case basically makes itself. The odds of the last two wolves together strongarming an aggressive player just for the sake of securing a single mislynch are pretty long.

That said, three votes have gone on trans:
you
me
Dunn (now back off)
(and creature made the point about NKA a while ago but is still parked on my slot)

So if you presume that trans is town for the sake of the argument, the wolves are... you and me? me and dunn? creature fitting in somehow?

[mhsmith0]

oh wait right lol cteature swapped, is also on trans wagon. so it actually got to L-2. OK my L-3 comment was a bit too much then, I can see L-2 being cause for concern. The reaction stil did seem over-wrought though.

[Transcend]

honestly-

this might not even be a frame on me

someone might have mason read aubrey

you guys need to think a bit outside the box

[mhsmith0]

honestly-

this might not even be a frame on me

someone might have mason read aubrey

you guys need to think a bit outside the box

It's conceivable that someone made a bad read there, although Aubrey's general aggression and spamminess seemed more consistent with what I'd expect from VT compared to mason. I also don't think I ever got any kind of agenda-y read from him (where masons actually MIGHT potentially have an agenda, at least in terms of keeping pressure off each other).

Why do you think that it's reasonable to have mason read Aubrey there?

[sad1492]

Actually now that I see it there might be only one wolf on his wagon.
Also Aubrey mason? Nah
I'm not gonna post my mason reads but Aubrey isn't even near the top

[Transcend]

BECAUSE HE FUCKING DIED

MAFIA DONT KILL FOR VT

THEY KILL FOR MASON

I AM NOT READING FOR PRS

IM READING FOR SCUM

IM JUST MAKING AN ASSUMPTION

JEE WIZ

[mhsmith0]

Well yeah, wolves should very clearly be killing for masons. But they took a shot that to me didn't really make much sense if aiming for masons.

And that means, to me, at least one of two things

1) Trans killed him to shut him up

2) lol wolves

#2 is always possible (and fun! ... well, not for two of the people alive ), but in a world with competent wolves, I'm finding a hard time explaning it as not being #1. So, if you're going to start with the standpoint of being town (duh), then FYPOV it's

1) lol wolves
2) Aubrey actually made sense as a mason shot

If #2 I don't see it and would like an explanation. If #1, then who do you think could reasonably have made a really bad N1 shot and why?

[mhsmith0]

inb4 "oh god why is smith tryharding again"

[Dunnstral]

Possibility 1: Trans was framed, then Tran's town and I'm looking at Tran's wagon today for scum. Both scum will be likely voting for Trans right now

Vote 2.01

Transcend (L-3): sad1492, Creature, mhsmith0

[Dunnstral]

I can see why scum would think aubrey was a mason. Nobody would vote him

[mhsmith0]

I think you forgot to carry the 2

[mhsmith0]

Remind me, was there ever a case on Aubrey beyond Trans going "hey guys he like totally claimed scum"? I mean I guess on a pretty weak theory basis I can MAYBE see something along those lines, but to me I'd think that the reason Aubrey never really caught votes was because he was a pretty likely villager who never deserved to catch votes.

[Dunnstral]

I thought he was scummy

[Dunnstral]

he was a pretty likely villager

is that why you killed him

[mhsmith0]

[mhsmith0]

more seriously, I'd have actually PR hunted as a wolf in that spot, and I'd like to think I'd have made a better judgement than someone who looked pretty strongly VT.

I'd also note that I'd probably have avoided shooting someone who's attention was very clearly elsewhere, since Aubrey pushing on Trans (presuming Trans as a villager) would have been something easy enough for me to engage with without having to really drive the action. Why bother making a setup kill instead of PR hunting in that spot? It makes no reasonable sense to do this if I'm mafia there.

[Dunnstral]

I'd also note that I'd probably have avoided shooting someone who's attention was very clearly elsewhere, since Aubrey pushing on Trans (presuming Trans as a villager)

Vote 2.01

Transcend (L-3): sad1492, Creature, mhsmith0

[mhsmith0]

I think you forgot to carry the 2