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Post Post #1725 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 7:44 am

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In post 1704, MortFeld wrote:
In post 1702, Human Sequencer wrote: People randomly jumping on the chaos wagon is giving me the heeby jeebies, even if I townread most of them.
It really shouldn't. Dude. Chaos is the current alternative to your lynch. Like, we have 3 days and I highly highly doubt we'll reach a real consensus. If we do? Great! I'm just not there right now. I really think it's not even scum's doing, it's the fact that we have 6 replacements. Perhaps there's some leeway between Chaos, Arc, and Road, I chose Chaos because we need
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lynch and his wagon already has a backbone. Very open to discussing, i.e. would like to see how Chaos responds to you and how Arc responds to me.
In post 1703, TwoFace wrote:What does the blacked out part say?
why do we always end up fighting -_-
To add to your post Mort. I have been pushing Chaos wagon to get answers and he conveniently avoids it. Did you see his lynch pool without leads? does it ring bell?

I am wondering why this group is giving free passes to someone like Chaos. I see if a newbie gets a free pass for a poor play but Chaos being an experienced player, he is not really helping in scum hunting, He comes and gives us a lynch pool with no leads. His only scum read with some reasoning is Road. I am not even sure if anyone even focusing on Road at this point of the game. I want o Chaos come out here and say something about his wagon otherwise i am losing my patience here and hope over this game. Or maybe my instincts are correct. He is blatantly scum and hoping that he will get escaped while we stuck at never ending crossfire between TF, HS, Me wagons to end this long lasting day 1
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Post Post #1726 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 7:48 am

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Arc you're not understanding re: the vig claim.

Curious town!HS

Wow, TF just softclaimed some role. We're about to lynch TF! I wonder what this means. Maybe TF is lying scum trying to save his skin. Ok, I support this lynch. Vote: TF.

Devious scum!HS

Wow, TF just softclaimed some role. TF, is it vig!? Are you softclaiming vig!? Are you a vigilante power role? By the way, I think TF is town. Vote: TF.

Arc, are you telling me that the first one is what happened?
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Post Post #1727 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 7:49 am

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Yeah I don't like Chaos' lynch pool.
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Post Post #1728 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 7:57 am

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In post 1726, MortFeld wrote:Arc you're not understanding re: the vig claim.

Curious town!HS

Wow, TF just softclaimed some role. We're about to lynch TF! I wonder what this means. Maybe TF is lying scum trying to save his skin. Ok, I support this lynch. Vote: TF.

Devious scum!HS

Wow, TF just softclaimed some role. TF, is it vig!? Are you softclaiming vig!? Are you a vigilante power role? By the way, I think TF is town. Vote: TF.

Arc, are you telling me that the first one is what happened?
Okay, you're tricky aren't you? Screw you for making think my own perception twice but thanks anyway, this is helping me to read you better.

I say HS was stuck between both the cases you mentioned.

TF softclaimed some role. HS thought it was VIG, He didn't like it. He thinks he is may be scum or torn between his thoughts. And both started throwing scum reads on each other. Does this help? at least, this is how i see it. I feel that HS reaction over soft claim could be town reaction because i dont think scum would waste so much time in reasoning themselves, they avoid the conversations that make them drown.

Does this lead TF being scum, possibly but with the way he was defending himself over the situation seems town to me.This is how my read changed from possible scum to possible town fight between them.
In post 1727, MortFeld wrote:Yeah I don't like Chaos' lynch pool.
Good. At least something we agree on.
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Post Post #1729 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 7:59 am

Post by TwoFace »

UNVOTE:
In post 1727, MortFeld wrote:Yeah I don't like Chaos' lynch pool.
what don't you like about it?

his lynch pool
In post 1504, ChaosOmega wrote:Road
Wobbuffet
ArcAngel
Drone
Road - you already voted once today, you unvoted to prevent a hammer and as far as I can tell you still sr him
Arc - you seem to be questioning and you sr her
Drone you said you weren't sure of
buffet - no idea what your read on this slot.

Seems like you should at least agree with 1/2 if not 3/4 of chaos's list by my recollection.
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Post Post #1730 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:01 am

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Hm I remember the lynch pool differently. You're right, it's pretty reasonable. Makes me not like Arc even more.
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Post Post #1731 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:03 am

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In post 1729, TwoFace wrote:UNVOTE:
In post 1727, MortFeld wrote:Yeah I don't like Chaos' lynch pool.
what don't you like about it?

his lynch pool
In post 1504, ChaosOmega wrote:Road
Wobbuffet
ArcAngel
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Road - you already voted once today, you unvoted to prevent a hammer and as far as I can tell you still sr him
Arc - you seem to be questioning and you sr her
Drone you said you weren't sure of
buffet - no idea what your read on this slot.

Seems like you should at least agree with 1/2 if not 3/4 of chaos's list by my recollection.
lol TF. Seriously what's the players in this game. Having matching scum reads doesn't hold or lead to town read someone. Mort had a good reason to doubt me but Chaos doesn't have one for his list or at least he never gave leads on his reads. they looked like random choices. Give benefit of doubt that mort could be wrong and Chaos is cashing it out so that he can get a free candy by day 1 i.e. lynching a poor townie.
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Post Post #1732 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:04 am

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Arc, have you even read the original discussion this is all referencing? Starting at 614.
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Post Post #1733 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:05 am

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In post 1730, MortFeld wrote:Hm I remember the lynch pool differently. You're right, it's pretty reasonable. Makes me not like Arc even more.
I dont understand you at all. You seem to be stuck in black hole and don't want to come out of it. I can't help if you're not willing to see others perspective.

I will leave it to your discretion. I am going to continue to make my efforts to push the wagon that i scum read.

Chaos list is bad period. your reads matching his reads not an excuse to think that he is good, he seems opportunist to me.
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Post Post #1734 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:07 am

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I am definitely stuck in a black hole, it's the black hole of 70 pages of nonsense + 6 replacements out of 13 players.
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Post Post #1735 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:08 am

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In post 1732, MortFeld wrote:Arc, have you even read the original discussion this is all referencing? Starting at 614.
I skimmed through a lot of posts after page 20. Do you see why this all confusing to me now. I didn't make an effort to read the 20 pages that i missed. I will if i have too but the way the conversations are happening, I believe the game is progressing at right direction. I am glad that a frustrated townie is not getting lynched today.
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Post Post #1736 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:09 am

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Here is why it is confusing to me.

You are saying you townread HS because HS had a specific type of reaction to TF's claim.

This reaction is not what happened.

Therefore, your townread is either not real, is misguided, or is based on something else.
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Post Post #1737 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:25 am

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Well, I'm not going to be super active this weekend, so to hopefully avoid the deadline wagon being on me, and that I'd rather TF not shoot me, I'm going to claim.

I'm a cop. Not claiming the amount of shots I have, but yeah.

I still think HS is scum, but I'm very sketched out by Wobbuffet flaking while being active on site elsewhere.
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Post Post #1738 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:26 am

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One (probably) Vig claim, one Cop claim.

Either someone's lying or town is very strong, no?
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Post Post #1739 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:28 am

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No. Are you scum Mort? What a shitty point to push.
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Post Post #1740 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:28 am

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vig doesn't make town strong from what I remember when going through the review process.

though if chaos is telling the truth, I absolutely hate how he played it. having a PR doesn't excuse you from playing the game properly.
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Post Post #1741 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:29 am

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TwoFace, you'd be surprised how little of a shit I care about your thoughts on my play.
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Post Post #1742 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:31 am

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I'm not scum. Why is it a shitty point?
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Post Post #1743 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:32 am

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Because cop and vig together isn't overpowered. It looks like you're trying to sway a lynch to a claimed PR with lousy reasoning.
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Post Post #1744 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:34 am

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I was asking a question about game balance. "Because cop and vig together isn't overpowered" is an answer to that question. In 1833 there was like, 1 town PR, and this is the first non-newbie I've played, so I was curious.
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Post Post #1745 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:34 am

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In post 1736, MortFeld wrote:Here is why it is confusing to me.

You are saying you townread HS because HS had a specific type of reaction to TF's claim.

This reaction is not what happened.

Therefore, your townread is either not real, is misguided, or is based on something else.
No I town read him not because only reacted, I town read for the arguments he put forth. Are we going to continue this circle jerk all this game? because i am not seeing we both are getting anywhere with this.
In post 1738, MortFeld wrote:One (probably) Vig claim, one Cop claim.

Either someone's lying or town is very strong, no?
He is lying. I am 100% sure. Lynch him.
In post 1742, MortFeld wrote:I'm not scum. Why is it a shitty point?
I agree. See something else i agree with you.
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Post Post #1746 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:36 am

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No, there were 3 (masons are PRs). And your question seemed to be more an implication that one of us is likely lying, and not an actual question on game balance. It doesn't matter for now, I guess, you're not the lynch today.
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Post Post #1747 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:37 am

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The circle jerk is only happening because you didn't read the actual interaction you're talking about, Arc.
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Post Post #1748 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:38 am

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In post 1737, ChaosOmega wrote:Well, I'm not going to be super active this weekend, so to hopefully avoid the deadline wagon being on me, and that I'd rather TF not shoot me, I'm going to claim.

I'm a cop. Not claiming the amount of shots I have, but yeah.

I still think HS is scum, but I'm very sketched out by Wobbuffet flaking while being active on site elsewhere.

This is 100% false claim. I bet all my experience from mafiascum to be sure that Chaos is now almost confirmed scum to me.

A cop never claims, if he really had been cop, he would have taken time to defend himself. He played bad, a very bad scum play and now he is only option to save himself till day 2 is cop claim.

He wants us to leave him today to investigate TF, we dont know how true TF claim is and he is just playing around and we should lynch him without hesitation

CHAOS IS SCUM. And pretty much confirmed one for me.

if i can vote again, here you go

VOTE: Chaos
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Post Post #1749 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:38 am

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If you're putting the burden of being a competent player on Arc, you're in for a long game.
Is it any wonder things seem so awry? We swim in a sea of confusion and don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens!
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