Open 658 Making Friends and Enemies | Game Over

[Creature]

VOTE: mhsmith0

[Io]

Secret Agent Jin is being prodded.

[Secret Agent Jin]

Oh wow, i didnt realize it has been 2 days since my last post. That is my bad though, i have been around.

Creature, what is your reasoning for voting MhSmith?

[Creature]

I'm still not feeling town!mhsmith0.

[Dunnstral]

I'm a snake

[Secret Agent Jin]

Can we address Dunn and his weird posts?

[Dunnstral]

no

[havingfitz]

OK...still in catch up mode for the most part. I have skimmed the
entire game and plan to go back for some ISOs and focused reading on
certain interactions or events. In the interest of providing some
~useful content t00his is kind of where my head is atm:

1) Nice job hitting scum D1. clapclap

2) Even though one of my more recent losses involved losing to a scum
team that did some hardcore bussing from early on in a game...I have a
hard time believing Transcent is scum from his MariaGamma
exchanges/votes.

3) Unless scum had some sort of a read on Aubrey being a mason I do
not see any obvious reason for killing her. The fact she spent much
of the day on

Transcend seems too blatant of a set up if that's what today's
Transcend wagon is based on.

4) Current gut on people:

Town - Transcend

TBD - Burgerking, BK201, tojam, Flubber........~ Dunnstral

Suspect - Creature, sad1492, SAJ and mhsmith0.

Vote mhsmith0

because....

A little defense of Maria at replace in.
Throws some suspicions toejam's way without ever placing a vote. In
fact...vote stayed on sad all D1 posing no threat to sad and otherwise
doing no good.
Starts criticizing Gamma a good bit towards end of D1 without ever
putting a vote on....while seeming to keep an open mind on tojam.
D2 starts...mhsmith unsure on Transcend...suspects sad/SAJ. 2 posts
later joins the Transcend wagon.

More later.

[Flubbernugget]

For anyone who played with Flubber, does Flubber usually play like this?

Play like what?

You literally just saw my scum game. You should offer your own input here.

Don't be an asshole creature

Pls respond

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: mhsmith0

[Creature]

For anyone who played with Flubber, does Flubber usually play like this?

Play like what?

You literally just saw my scum game. You should offer your own input here.

Don't be an asshole creature

Pls respond

I'm yet not sure.

[Secret Agent Jin]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: MhSmith

[mhsmith0]

My current player read list I have.

1) Transcend: Scum Lean?
2) Creature: Null Town Lean?
3) Burgerking: Null scum lean
4)

Aristophanes

: Null
5) BK201: Null scum lean
6) sad1492: Null town lean, but willing to lynch
7)

MariaR

Gamma: town lean
8) Aubrey
9)

MiniDeathStar

mhsmith: Null Null Town Lean
10) oddmusic: town lean
11) Secret Agent Jin: Null scum lean
12) doomfeathers: Null scum lean
13) tojam2: Null but willing to lynch (The smallest of small town leans. Smaller than the world's tiniest violin.)

If Null is before town or scum lean, then it just means its a weaker read that a flat out town/scum lean.

? means I'm a bit perplexed as to why I feel the way I do, but I do.

This list literally changes daily. Usually multiple times at that.

Lastly notice how Transcend never tries to sell me onto the gamma wagon, and never tries to refute anything that I brought forward for Gamma. Instead he just ties me and smith to gamma and carries on his merry way. This isn't pro town what so ever. What it seems like to me is a scum trying to seem townie by trying to get townies not to vote for one player who is easy lynchbait (who could very well be scum) and vote for another.

Mhsmith says he doesn't remember Gamma being a derpy villager. While I wouldn't use those words, the one game I have played with gamma he did have some odd reads and made choices that ultimately led to him being townie lynchbait day one. Hence why I'm not as bothered by gamma.

On another note why would scum transcend try so hard to tie Smith and I to gamma. Is this a townie trying to actually figure out the game or is the scum hard busting his own partner on day one in order to earn stronger town credit and have townies take the fall post flip.

Actually In post 990, it actually doesn't make sense for scum Transcend to push for a link between smith gamma and I by trying to get the town to lynch gamma if he knows he is town. Instead the smarter scum play would be to say the lot of us are scummy to him, but not exactly sure if we are all connected so that he would have an out.

991 is the stronger possibility in attempting to assess his slot.

So to the extent Aubrey had engagement with my slot d1, he was town-reading me, including presenting a scum-read on transcend in the context of trans trying to create fake associations between gamma and me.

Moreover, I don't see any actual evidence that suggests Aubrey had any equity as a reasonably likely mason.

So if I'm scum (and trans is town), then a shot on Aubrey literally makes zero sense from me. It doesn't hit a mason, it takes away a slot that town reads me, and it takes away what could be a useful distraction for town.

Ps that parade of empty hops on my wagon ought to be a pretty good sign that it's more or less bullshit.

[mhsmith0]

Oh wow, i didnt realize it has been 2 days since my last post. That is my bad though, i have been around.

Creature, what is your reasoning for voting MhSmith?

I'm still not feeling town!mhsmith0.

Can we address Dunn and his weird posts?

no

VOTE: mhsmith0

UNVOTE:

VOTE: MhSmith

Here's the context of SAJ hop on btw. Unless you want to argue that he was convinced by fitzs reasoning (and there's no evidence of this), it looks like an especially lazy hop on to a wagon with momentum, even more bizarre given how he was shading two people (creature and dunn) who also hopped on.

Ps his recent take on me

You there? Thoughts beyond "why does smith pair me with trans"?

In the end, i think your posts against Trans for the last few pages is a town v town thing. I wholeheartedly believe that the Aubrey kill was a setup to pin blame on Transcend. In saying that, you are either a town member which took the NK bait OR you are a scum member following up on your bait kill, which would be stupid to do. I want to believe you are town attacking a framed town member.

VOTE: SAJ

Trans also a good wagon IMO but that hop on was atrocious.

[mhsmith0]

Pps still have town read on creature, and odd had earned a TR pre sub out. SAJ, trans, Dunn seem sketchiest of the people voting me.

[mhsmith0]

And Dunn is more null than anything else fwiw.

[mhsmith0]

And in case anyone wants to pretend like they don't know the votes,

I AM AT L-1

[Dunnstral]

And Dunn is more null than anything else fwiw.

actually I'm town

[Dunnstral]

hold on checking vote count

[mhsmith0]

Trans
Creature
Dunn
Fits
SAJ

All on me

[Dunnstral]

So if I'm scum (and trans is town), then a shot on Aubrey literally makes zero sense from me. It doesn't hit a mason,

I have problem with this mostly

You're acting like you'd never ever shoot aubrey

[Dunnstral]

Trans
Creature
Dunn
Fits
SAJ

All on me

I was actually seeing if anyone else was voting SAJ

[mhsmith0]

So if I'm scum (and trans is town), then a shot on Aubrey literally makes zero sense from me. It doesn't hit a mason,

I have problem with this mostly

You're acting like you'd never ever shoot aubrey

Unless you can argue Aubrey had mason equity, then I would never ever shoot Aubrey there. N1 is for killing PRs and/or people who are problems. If I'm scum, then Aubrey wasn't a problem for me. And I've seen no case for Aubrey being a realistic mason beyond "eh why not". I found aubreys spamminess to be vt-suggestive, and I didn't really see evidence of connections w others that would seem mason-like.

[mhsmith0]

Trans
Creature
Dunn
Fits
SAJ

All on me

I was actually seeing if anyone else was voting SAJ

There isn't anyone voting SAJ other than me currently.

[mhsmith0]

IIRC there was a "well Aubrey never took off as a wagon therefore maybe mason" idea floated, but unless there's a reason Aubrey SHOULD have taken off (there wasn't IMO) then it's a spurious argument born if lazy reasoning. And if that's the best argument for Aubrey as a maybe mason, then it's a shitty pr hunting shot, and it's again not a shot I'd have had motive for.

Ps I'm now the second counter-wagon to trans (flubber #1). I feel like trans-saj is too easy of a scum team, but I'd say it's highly likely at least one is scum.