Open 658 Making Friends and Enemies | Game Over

[Dunnstral]

I'm assuming I'm going to win this game

[Transcend]

Gotta love it when the dead pt has more scum than the scum pt. Lol.

[mhsmith0]

Only after you join them trans.

[mhsmith0]

I'm assuming I'm going to win this game

Despite this shit lynch I feel good about my odds. Hopefully scum miss tonight again.

[Transcend]

T r o l l i n g

[mhsmith0]

Anyway I'm going to dinner. Pretty annoyed about absorbing a shit mislynch here but lazy towns gonna lazy *shrugs*

[mhsmith0]

Ps future advice: only do a lazy POE wagon on an essentially null read if you have a bunch of deserved strong town reads. This game hadn't gotten to the state where that approach made sense.

[Dunnstral]

I'm town by the way

see you in the dead pt

[BK201]

She could be one of these players that get emotional so their wagon dies.

Oh nvm, she doesn't act emotional.

What exactly changed your mind?

Read List based on Gamma's ISO

Town: Transcend, Burger King

Town Lean: Tojam, Dunn

Scum: Flubber

I will read up on some people more and post a better read list.

Burger is coasting scum. Explain your read on Flubber.

Gamma replaced Maria. So that's a combined scum slot.

Then that means i will have to ISO Maria

Possible town-slip.

So uhhh can somone explain to me why the idea framing someone that was a counterwagon to scum seem like a reasonable play?

You're right, Transcend wasn't framed that would never work. Either scum himself or Aubrey looked like a mason.

VOTE: flubbernugget any reason why or just a pressure vote?

1) nobody seems to care that you are scum, and I don't have the time or patience to harass everyone over it

2) Transcend is screaming about how he's not scum because he was a big contribution to the Gamma wagon. One push doesn't make someone town, and it looks to me like Transcend is trying to coast off a bus. He is not furthering his reads in any reasonable proportion to his aggression.

1.) I don't agree, but you if really think so then convince me. 2.) That would make sense, not sure Transcend is scum though.

Burgers town tho

Just a banned user that doesn't care about this game

You're writing Burger off. Makes me question if you're his buddy and I don't like it.

Alright pick a lynch:


mhsmith

Flubbernugget

Creature

Transcend

Are these your scum-reads, if not why did you pick these 4?

IIRC there was a "well Aubrey never took off as a wagon therefore maybe mason" idea floated, but unless there's a reason Aubrey SHOULD have taken off (there wasn't IMO) then it's a spurious argument born if lazy reasoning. And if that's the best argument for Aubrey as a maybe mason, then it's a shitty pr hunting shot, and it's again not a shot I'd have had motive for.

Ps I'm now the second counter-wagon to trans (flubber #1). I feel like trans-saj is too easy of a scum team, but I'd say it's highly likely at least one is scum.

I doubt mafia thought like that, but they could have picked up on some mason-tell we're missing. Is your read on SAJ

dependent

on Transcend being scum?

Lol ok
VOTE: Mhsmith0 seeya
I always wanted to lol hammer.

Really? I think this is the quickest hammer for Day 2 I've ever witnessed....really sketchy.

FOS

Sad unless Mhsmith is scum then we're almost done here and good job. Still that hammer was reckless either way. Not everyone got to chime in and we had a replacement (Fitz) that only got to post once or twice.

Good news: I'm not a mason
Bad news: I'm town

Tomorrow wagons should be SAJ/trans and maybe sad

Aubrey kill is EXACTLY what I'd expect from trans and his shitty kills, and SAJ hop on my wagon was horrific.

Any other reads?

if mhsmith is scum we're still lynching transcend btw

I can respect a good double bus

Is this a joke? No scum in their right mind would double-bus in this 3 confirmed town set-up lol. If Mhsmith is scum then almost everyone on his wagon is borderline confirmed town. We'll see.

[BK201]

Too bad we have no idea what Burger thinks of all this. Convenient for him isn't it?

[mhsmith0]

@BK201: I don't have much of a burgerking read. Hasn't really been my focus. see: "lets quick-lynch smith for being lazy (in a game that had been going well for town) and accurately pointing out that he had zero kill motive on Aubrey (and that he is actually GOOD at PR hunting, of which the Aubrey shot was the opposite of that)".

[mhsmith0]

Other notes:

SAJ/Trans are scum reads independent of each other and they fit together at least plausibly. If you people want to wagon SAJ first for that horrific hop onto my wagon (where before it got momentum he was seemingly against it, and then hopped on with no substance) before trans, that's fine. I recommend dueling trans/SAJ wagons tomorrow. Other notes:

1092 is not a town slip by SAJ. It might be an attempted town slip, but it's in no way a gimme there, especially given that it was like 45 minutes later. I could easily see that as a forced attempt to look like he's town slipping.

I still have no idea what Dunn's reasoning was for hopping on my wagon. "Nothing you've done makes me think town" is basically a null read, ditto his push against my defense. If twilight continues, he should be forced to actually justify why he hopped on (especially given his previously stated town read on my slot).

I'll also note that despite "smith lazy", I am currently the 4th highest poster. There have been plenty of lazy people this game. I got wagoned as a counter to trans that took off. My shit wagon, as annoying as it was (I'm proud of my record of never being lynched as town - I have NINETEEN completed town games without being mislynched even once), should be a useful mine for data. There is almost always at least one wolf on that wagon, in large part because town being THAT stupid and lazy would just be to horrible to fathom. Try and actually think through what happened and why after I'm gone. I was lynched for being a null, and there was basically zero case on me, and it went through anyway. Really shitty wagons that go through are good data mines, so work through that and figure it out (if trans is just shitty town this game, which I doubt but is obviously possible, then I'd take a much closer look at flubber, given that flubber was the first counter to trans and then it was my wagon that really took off). Plenty of data out there if you choose to use it.

[mhsmith0]

I doubt mafia thought like that, but they could have picked up on some mason-tell we're missing. Is your read on SAJ dependent on Transcend being scum?

The point wrt Aubrey NK was that EITHER mafia was doing a really shitty job of PR hunting, OR there was a specific kill motive that was independent of PR hunting. If the former, lol wolves (and hopefully they screw up again tonight). If the latter, it points pretty flagrantly to Trans, and it simply isn't likely that he was framed (why would any mafia waste a shot on a frame job on N1 instead of PR hunting). That was the argument I made, and I basically got lynched for it (along with "why weren't you doing more"). Like, that's basically the case on me, and I got quick-wagoned. I suspect that people will pretend there was more to it than that, or simply ignore me and my wagon, or just blame me as if getting quick-wagoned on air was somehow actually my fault, but the villagers here should be paying attention to what happened here and working through it to actually game solve.

[Transcend]

idk guys

i think he's trolling

[mhsmith0]

idk guys

i think he's trolling

You are lying to yourself or to us, and I find you lying to yourself increasingly unbelievable.

[Transcend]

go back to your bridge troll

[mhsmith0]

I'll see you in dead thread soon enough unless town really sucks.

[mhsmith0]

PS I enjoyed you trying to take credit for the Gamma lynch as if you hadn't spent most of D1 tunneling townies (Aubrey and my slot). Who knows if people will bother paying attention to this after I'm gone (after all, I clearly must deserve to be lynched if I was lynched, regardless of how stupid the wagon was ), but they should.

[Transcend]

Me when I lynch mafia back to back 2 days in a row:

[mhsmith0]

Trans (if town) after my flip:

"It was totally smith's fault for getting wagoned for no good reason at all, I definitely didn't fuck it up or anything"

[mhsmith0]

@masons: on the off chance that you screwed up and didn't recruit N1, recruit tongiht. This is something you MUST do (and really really should have done N1 if you haven't already). I don't feel like going into the mechanics of it, but since I'm going to flip green anyway, trust me on it.

[mhsmith0]

The ignorance and laziness required for town!trans to actually believe that I'm twilight trolling like this would be astounding. Obviously not 100% impossible, but IMO pretty indicative. Likelier that he's just trying too hard to make it look like he actually believes I'm a wolf.

[Secret Agent Jin]

Wait a second, i have a question for you Smith. Why would i hammer Gamma D1 if i was scum? To bus myself a bit? I could have waited for someone else to hammer considering the hammer could be used against me for bussing.

[mhsmith0]

I'm actually curious to see if my mason guesses are better than scum's. It'd be hilarious if so, since I don't have the benefit of knowing which two players I can slice off the list.

[sad1492]

Why should we NOT wait until the scummier players show up then recruit them? I always thought masons are essentially 1-shot cops