Newbie 1756: Balloon (Game Over)

[WeCanSimplyBeOurselves]

@ Norska

You didn't not claim. Claiming the roles you're not is claiming something. You just didn't claim any explicit roles.

@ Tweet

Everyone else did not claim all the roles they're not.

[NorskaBlue]

@ Norska

You didn't not claim. Claiming the roles you're not is claiming something. You just didn't claim any explicit roles.

@ Tweet

Everyone else did not claim all the roles they're not.

I am not a jailkeeper or bulletproof, obviously.

I don't claim jk or bp either.

I am not JK, BK or Doc

I am neither a BP, JK, nor a Doc.

These are quotes from pages 13-14, all from different people. Guess which one is mine.(Hint: its the one you repeated).

Why are you holding me to a different standard than everyone else?

[Morning Tweet]

@WCS

Do you still consider the possibility of me being town, or are you convinced Manuel is town and I'm scum?

[Accountant]

I keep re-reading the cases and going back and forth in my mind about Morning Tweet's alignment. I do think Manuel looks better now though - he has that "dog on a bone stubbornness" that looks a lot like a townie who found what they feel is a smoking gun and don't want to let go. Scum like to go for lynches that look good and are easy to push; I'm not convinced the sudden aggression on Tweet fulfils either of those criteria.

I want thatsit and Misa to post more! I actually forgot thatsit even exists, which is kinda making me nervous that he's scum slipping by.

[thatsit]

My bad. Don't know what to contribute exactly. I am not jailkeeper or bulletproof either by the way.

[Morning Tweet]

@Accountant, What lynch looks better and is easier to push than mine?

Spoiler:

WCS and Char are untouchable.
General consensus says you and Transcend are town.
Norska may be relatively easy but would look opportunistic due to WCS.
Misa and thatsit don't post often enough imo.

Not trying to say I'm weak, but why would scum!Manuel not gun for me but town!Manuel would?

[WeCanSimplyBeOurselves]

@ Norska

You didn't not claim. Claiming the roles you're not is claiming something. You just didn't claim any explicit roles.

@ Tweet

Everyone else did not claim all the roles they're not.

I am not a jailkeeper or bulletproof, obviously.

I don't claim jk or bp either.

I am not JK, BK or Doc

I am neither a BP, JK, nor a Doc.

These are quotes from pages 13-14, all from different people. Guess which one is mine.(Hint: its the one you repeated).

Why are you holding me to a different standard than everyone else?

That isn't everyone else.

I'm not holding you to a different standard to everyone else. I didn't notice anyone else doing the same thing. Why are these people doing this? I think it's very anti-town to do all this. Who started it? I thought it was only you and I joined in because I thought the mistake had already been made but I may as well learn something from the information provided.

[WeCanSimplyBeOurselves]

@WCS

Do you still consider the possibility of me being town, or are you convinced Manuel is town and I'm scum?

Manuel seems more aggressively scumhunting and townish than you do--especially with his tunnelling you and asking lots of questions--and his reason for you being scum is stronger than your reason for him being scum.

I'm exhausted now, past 3.Am. Goodnight all.

[Morning Tweet]

@WCS Forgive me for this, I have one last question. Do you still think it's important to read Manuel and myself's posts and consider both sides of the argument, or do you not bother to read my posts anymore?

[Accountant]

I didn't notice anyone else doing the same thing. Why are these people doing this? I think it's very anti-town to do all this. Who started it? I thought it was only you and I joined in because I thought the mistake had already been made but I may as well learn something from the information provided.

It doesn't give scum extra information. The existence of a BP or JK proves Char to be scum, so if there was one they'd definitely claim and get Char lynched. So anyone who doesn't counterclaim is alteady known to not be BP or JK - saying it explicitly is just to make sure there's no counterclaims that might prove Charloux to be scum.

[Accountant]

@Morning Tweet: Sorry, I skimmed over your post and forgot about it. Here's the thing - scum doesn't care who town lynches, as long as it's not a mafia member. If there's anyone they really really want dead, they'll get rid of them at night, not risk themselves pushing a mislynch during the day. And I think scum!Manuel would be more than happy sitting on thatsit or Misa and basically slipping by rather than intentionally putting himself at the center of attention by pushing a lynch on you. Voting thatsit or Misa would allow him to fade from attention, and at the same time it's easy to justify voting lurkers.

[Transcend]

Thatsit still town

Accountant is town or I'm fucked

Wcsbo doesn't seem scum either.

THAT LEAVES

{Norska, Misa, Manuel, Morning}

I doubt. I really doubt. That Manuel and Morning would bus each other after failing to get a lynchbait mislynched. So. That rules them out as a team.

So if all the aforementioned logic is correct that means at least one scum is in {Norska, Misa}

Norska has had some noob tells that are genuine imo. Misa hasn't done anything exactly to wow me. So ima put a vote there and see where it goes.

VOTE: MisaTange

Ps: Charloux still scummy but he can only be scum if it's setup B. Most likely it's setup C or setup 2. I won't consider him as scum for the time being.

[MisaTange]

Apologies for the absence, been doing an essay. Not sure how WCSBO is "basically cleared" as town; I have a couple of theories, but uhh. I don't think it'll be particularly townie to say them.

[Transcend]

Why are you playing so cautiously? Speak ya mind sista.

[MisaTange]

I don't think it's very townie to do so because it discusses the setup.

[Transcend]

Fair enough

[Accountant]

Transcend, if you want to make a case by PoE, you have to carefully justify every townie you're eliminating from the list, or else the whole exercise is pointless. In this case, I don't see why you feel thatsit is town.

[Transcend]

I'll get to it

[Accountant]

I think a Misa lynch is better than a Tweet lynch today. I do agree that Manuel and Tweet can't be scum together.

[Manuel87]

Great, I impulse wrote that I never incited suspicion on him, yet it seems I have.
I wrote 1-2 posts suggesting I scumread/want to pressure WCS, however I do not vote him. Fucking hang me.

Yes thats exactly what i am saying you throw shade at him without actually mentioning a scumread or voting him.

That'd be a great reason to accuse me of trying to earn towncred if there wasn't a valid reason to say that as town.
Seeing as there was, moving on..

The WCS lynch was pretty likely at this point and you didnt really give any reasons for Thatsit to change his mind.
You asked for a reason why scum would say what you said and i gave one.

Because no one scumreads Accountant and Transcend, obviously..
Norsa has enough townreads to not be on the bottom, imo. You can dispute that, but honestly wcs is solidifying Nor's safety for today with his crazy scumread on him.

Norsak is scumread by WCS and Null at best by others. Also why does it matter to you what reads other players have? You should decide for yourself who is the most scummy.
Your only scumread this game was Charloux and you suddenly dropped that when the pressure on him faded.

Uh, not sure what that is supposed to mean.
As scum you're not going to read one of my posts and be all like "Wow, she's trying to deceive people into voting for WCS without getting any blood on her hands". You'll be thinking about arguing that's what I did.

Ok fair point.

Kinda pointless seeing as there was no reason to defend him at that point, but I guess I could have mentioned it.

If you had mentioned it maybe we would have avoided Charloux claim so sharing the information would have helped town.
Maybe you didnt want to get attention by defending Charloux?

@Accountant, What lynch looks better and is easier to push than mine?

Spoiler:

WCS and Char are untouchable.
General consensus says you and Transcend are town.
Norska may be relatively easy but would look opportunistic due to WCS.
Misa and thatsit don't post often enough imo.

Not trying to say I'm weak, but why would scum!Manuel not gun for me but town!Manuel would?

You are misreping. You were townread quite a bit before i made my case against you.
Your slot is considered scum because of my case.

[WeCanSimplyBeOurselves]

Hi again all.

@WCS Forgive me for this, I have one last question. Do you still think it's important to read Manuel and myself's posts and consider both sides of the argument, or do you not bother to read my posts anymore?

I can't forgive you for what I never resented you for. I don't hold resentment against people over a game <3

Yes I think it's important to read post of your posts and I already am doing so. I still read your posts.

You asked me before whether I still consider the possiiblity of you being town... yes I do. I never suggested otherwise. I've been saying I think it's more likely that Manuel is town and you're scum than the other way around. I said I think he has a better case than you about vice-versa.

You seem awfully interested in my reasons for voting you, and in asking me if I consider the possibility of your townness... to me that's another scummy thing to do. Town would be more interested in continuing their case against someone they consider scum than wanting to be considered town and taking an interest in being voted.

[WeCanSimplyBeOurselves]

I didn't notice anyone else doing the same thing. Why are these people doing this? I think it's very anti-town to do all this. Who started it? I thought it was only you and I joined in because I thought the mistake had already been made but I may as well learn something from the information provided.

It doesn't give scum extra information. The existence of a BP or JK proves Char to be scum, so if there was one they'd definitely claim and get Char lynched. So anyone who doesn't counterclaim is alteady known to not be BP or JK - saying it explicitly is just to make sure there's no counterclaims that might prove Charloux to be scum.

Oh. Claiming all the roles that you're not doesn't give scum any extra info? None at all? Really? So scum don't know which roles a townie isn't when they say what roles they're not? How does that work?

[Accountant]

I didn't notice anyone else doing the same thing. Why are these people doing this? I think it's very anti-town to do all this. Who started it? I thought it was only you and I joined in because I thought the mistake had already been made but I may as well learn something from the information provided.

It doesn't give scum extra information. The existence of a BP or JK proves Char to be scum, so if there was one they'd definitely claim and get Char lynched. So anyone who doesn't counterclaim is alteady known to not be BP or JK - saying it explicitly is just to make sure there's no counterclaims that might prove Charloux to be scum.

Oh. Claiming all the roles that you're not doesn't give scum any extra info? None at all? Really? So scum don't know which roles a townie isn't when they say what roles they're not? How does that work?

No, claiming that you aren't a BP or JK doesn't give scum any extra info, because if you were, you'd have claimed already.

[WeCanSimplyBeOurselves]

I didn't notice anyone else doing the same thing. Why are these people doing this? I think it's very anti-town to do all this. Who started it? I thought it was only you and I joined in because I thought the mistake had already been made but I may as well learn something from the information provided.

It doesn't give scum extra information. The existence of a BP or JK proves Char to be scum, so if there was one they'd definitely claim and get Char lynched. So anyone who doesn't counterclaim is alteady known to not be BP or JK - saying it explicitly is just to make sure there's no counterclaims that might prove Charloux to be scum.

Oh. Claiming all the roles that you're not doesn't give scum any extra info? None at all? Really? So scum don't know which roles a townie isn't when they say what roles they're not? How does that work?

No, claiming that you aren't a BP or JK doesn't give scum any extra info, because if you were, you'd have claimed already.

Huh? Why? Isn't it bad for power roles to claim unless they're about to be mislynched?

[WeCanSimplyBeOurselves]

I think a Misa lynch is better than a Tweet lynch today. I do agree that Manuel and Tweet can't be scum together.

Misa certainly seems to be lurking the most. She's not only barely here but when she's here she's barely contributing.