Micro 657: Vanillite Mafia (Game Over!)

[Aristophanes]

Oh, and here's a cute little Iced Cream Cone!

[Aristophanes]

Welp!
Dark Horse took a lickin'!
Unfortunately, he couldn't keep on kicking!

Dark Horse, Town Cop, Died during the Night.

It is now D2!

VC 2.0

Not Voting

(5): Aeronaut, Postie, Wyvernite, Algebra, Shannon

With 5 alive, it takes 3 votes to lynch
D2 will end Dec 3/16 at 7:30am EST or in (expired on 2016-12-03 07:30:00)

Mod Notes: Sorry there's no picture! I'm on mobile going to work.
How about that accidental Pagetop tho! =D

[shannon]

Dammit.

VOTE: Postie

[Aeronaut]

Postie, what are you reads now that TB flipped town.

Are you scum?

[shannon]

I'm putting all this in spoilers because it ends up being a giant huge post, but

@Aeronaut I'm reading back over the end of D1 and I can't see why exactly you changed from Wyvernite back to DH, besides pressure from Postie. In 367 Postie starts town reading you because you're coming back to DH, and you question that, but didn't it make you go hang on, why's Postie being so shifty?

I'd encourage everyone to look back to Aero's 368 as well. He's saying all the right things, but still voting the wrong way because Postie's got the pressure on. It's kind of interesting to me to see that experienced players aren't immune from this sort of overt manipulation.

Bye, Postie. Bye, Wyvern.

Spoiler:

Also the fact that Wyv is literally giving an opinion on every other player that's not the two viable lynches

This is good

VOTE: Wyvernite

Eh. I don't know.

I still don't have much from you why we should be voting TB? Besides "he is lurking" I feel. I'm going to need more than that.

I guess I do sort of get the viewpoint that between TB and Wyv, it will be at least easier to interact with Wyv tomorrow than TB who right now is a whole lot of nothing

Yeah.

UNVOTE:

Not only is wyv signifigantly scummier

I'm going to have to strongly disagree here.

but a TB lynch gives us next to nothing.

If we lynch him today and he flips scum:

• algebra is cleared
  
• we're left with a pool of 4 people to choose between to lynch, all of which are actively posting

If we lynch him today and he flips town:

• we eliminate an unknown who was going to be lynched eventually anyway
  
• we don't have to keep get frustrated over the fact that he's not doing anything

If we don't lynch him today:

• we'll likely have to decide whether to lynch between him or algebra tomorrow, and if we choose wrong we lose
  
  
• that's not a choice I trust town with please let's not go there guys

The bolded makes a lot of sense to me.

Excellent. Feeling better about townreading you.

Ok, first off, why does me agreeing with your point make me suddenly seem town to you?

1st Tier Lynchpool:

ThinkBig

⁴ /

shannon

⁴
2nd Tier Lynchpool:

Aeronaut

³
Townpool:

Dark Horse

¹ /

algebra

² /

Wyvernite

²

And you're saying I'm town, but I'm in your lynchpool.

What even are your points on shannon? I don't even remember you saying she's scum.

If wyv flips scum (which is what I'd suspect), then we'd have an extra mislynch. That scenario would also allow us to look at the possibility of algebra scum before a three man lylo, which sounds terrible

This is also a very, very good point.

If Wyvern is scum here he has zero understanding of basic scumplay and absolutely no common sense. Why isn't he trying to push through a lynch that isn't him? Why is he attacking some of the only people who stand any chance of being convinced to not lynch him?

That's indicative as scum, though, isn't it? Someone having nothing to base their arguments on so they just resort to defending themselves and not giving any real anything. At the very least, it's not town in any way.

He hasn't been pushing ThinkBig though. All he's done is expressed minor suspicion of him, and the same with algebra.

He has done absolutely nothing to try and make a lynch happen on either of them.

You understand that you're laying out a scum case, right? It's the

very fact

that he's talking and talking but saying a whole lot of nothing that should be raising red flags for you, but it isn't for some reason. I really don't understand.

Like, a townie is pushing for reads and trying to get somewhere, and you're literally admitting that Wyvern is doing the opposite of that. Why would you not be voting for him after recognizing this?

In addition to everything that put him in the spotlight, he's gone back to lurking while occasionally making a comment that he has no intention of following up. That's scummy as hell.

Yeah, honestly this.

Because he doesn't have to. Both of the lynches of substance behind them. Especially in the case of thinkbig's lynch, there's nothing he needs to do because of how hard you're gunning for it.

That's not how things were for the vast majority of the time he was sitting on his hands and letting things happen.

Again... sitting around and letting everyone else fight is exactly what scum does.

Yeah.

Intent to hammer

Honestly Postie, besides the argument that it's going to be hard to deal with TB and Algebra tomorrow, I really don't agree with most of your defense of Wyrv right now. And that argument doesn't even really hold up anymore, because TB is back here posting right now. W flip gives us far, far more information than a TB one does right now, especially if he's scum which I'm honestly becoming more and more sure he probably is.

In addition to that, how does sitting around and doing nothing = auto-town? It doesn't, that's how. And if it did, you could apply that same argument to ThinkBig, who also has sat around for the majority of the game and done nothing.

[Aeronaut]

Wait you're saying Postie was manipulating me?

I don't get that.

[Postie]

I don't get that.

[Postie]

Postie, what are you reads now that TB flipped town.

I think at least one of you or shannon is scum, probably both. I am however more open to considering I could be wrong on one of my other reads now that there's more at stake; I basically need to hear more from everyone.
I have other thoughts but it would be anti-town for me to go into them right now.

Are you scum?

No.

[Postie]

@shannon

- why are you voting me over Wyvern?

@Aero

- what's your read on me and how did you get from your initial heavy townread on me to where you are now?

[Aeronaut]

I really don't know what to think of you right now. I was hard town reading before, but the more I look at you the more I don't understand your motivations for a lot of what your saying. Hard townread on Algebra and Wyrv makes zero sense from your perspective. The push on Thinkbig with minimal reasoning besides POE... etc.

I don't know. I'm really paranoid that I'm confbiasing with you and need to give you an actual look.

[Postie]

Hard townread on Algebra and Wyrv makes zero sense from your perspective.

Why? I covered both in detail.

The push on Thinkbig with minimal reasoning besides POE... etc.

This is literally how I play the game.

[shannon]

@shannon

- why are you voting me over Wyvern?

@Aero

- what's your read on me and how did you get from your initial heavy townread on me to where you are now?

Wait you're saying Postie was manipulating me?

I don't get that.

I'm voting Postie over Wyvern because I think that Postie is the one pulling the strings and Wyvern will flail without Postie.

Yep, Aero, I think Postie manipulated you. Whether or not Postie is scum, you were on the fence, you were doubting the vote, but you went through with it because Postie gave you (emotionally) no choice. I think that without Postie doing this stuff you would have voted Wyvern.

[Postie]

I'm voting Postie over Wyvern because I think that Postie is the one pulling the strings and Wyvern will flail without Postie.

Which one of us is scummier individually?

[Aeronaut]

So you're that sure on a Postie/Wyrvern scumteam?

What about Algebra?


pedit: @Shannon

[Postie]

shannon, how convinced are you that the team in me-Wyv? Have you considered other partners for either of us and if so, details please?

[shannon]

I don't like to give %s but the way you (Postie) came in to rescue Wyvern really got my heckles up. I also notice that you haven't issued a denial, you're just asking more questions.

Tinfoil theory: You were genuine in your read, Aero is scum, and pretended to be persuaded by it!

[shannon]

@Postie how are you feeling about a Wyvern lynch today?

[Postie]

I also notice that you haven't issued a denial,

I, Postie, solemnly swear I am not scum who worked to divert my partner's lynch on day 1 of Micro 657.

Better?

[Postie]

@Postie how are you feeling about a Wyvern lynch today?

Not feeling it right now but I'm a bit unsure about everything at the minute so I'm gonna re-read and want Wyv to make some more wallposts and then we'll see how things are.

Yeah I'm fence-sitting on the gamestate a little whatchagunnodo

[shannon]

I also notice that you haven't issued a denial,

I, Postie, solemnly swear I am not scum who worked to divert my partner's lynch on day 1 of Micro 657.

Better?

Oh, good oh, Postie is town then!

[Aristophanes]

I have sent out a Daystart PM to those who have not posted yet D2.

Prod timers will not start until Monday Morning.

Sorry for the slight oversight!

[shannon]

It's OK, you posted cute ice creams so it all works out

[Postie]

Hey shannon, if I'm not scum then who is?

[shannon]

Aeronaut

[algebra]

Aero + Wyv?