Micro 657: Vanillite Mafia (Game Over!)

[Vedith]

That means clearing people as town when I'm scum isn't too bright btw.

[Postie]

I get that. I just mean, tell me why it's implausible you'd be bussing in this situation or something. I don't see myself voting you at any point this game but I wanna decide what strength townread I can give you for my own records.

[Vedith]

Well, it's plausible from your point of view. But that would also mean that Aero was pushing my lynch over others today where a mis lynch is what scum want.
He didn't unvote me until Alg did, and his unvote was obivously for credit. Just unlucky for them Shannon hadn't posted at the time.

The only scum teams it is possible to be
Aero / Me
Aero / Alg
Aero / Shannon

The way Wyvernite and Aero discussed to the way Aero and Shannon did is a big strong tell in itself too though.

But the main factor here... Shannon has shown willing to vote you today. If me and Aero were scum, I could have posted a bullshit case on you, push to vote you and even let Shannon believe I was bussing where Aero could then hammer.
Lets face it, these guys were never going to work out why you're confirmed town.

[Postie]

Yeah, good enough.

Spoiler: Ranking

Vedith

¹ /

algebra

² /

shannon

⁴ /

Aeronaut

⁵

I'm ready to end the day, I guess. Looks like me or you are dying tonight; don't screw this up, algeboy.

[shannon]

Dammit.

VOTE: Postie

Honestly fuck this

VOTE: Wyrv

And there it is.

See after how perfectly the nightkill fit into the Wyv/Postie scumteam narrative (DH ended the day with "lynch Wyv, then Postie if Wyv flips scum"), it was fairly obvious what argument scum were going to make today. shannon pushed the theory a little, but you, Aero...

Honestly, the fact that Wyrv has been absolutely silent today, mixed with the kill makes me feel like he makes the most sense to lynch today.

He's definitely scum. When he flips scum, please lynch Postie tomorrow.

Your line of thinking fits with the narrative that scum have tried to construct with the nightkill 100%.

VOTE: Aeronaut

Because if I'm wrong, I don't want it to be that easy for scum to come in and quick hammer for the win.

I also want to hear from the replacement.

Because if I'm wrong, I don't want it to be that easy for scum to come in and quick hammer for the win.

I also want to hear from the replacement.

OK, so -

Aero is voting Wyvern
Aero is scum reading Postie, but doesn't want to vote her as it would make it too easy for scum to quick hammer her if he's wrong

Implied:

Aero is town reading me. (If he weren't, he'd think that I might be at risk of voting and quick hammering Wyvern, along with either Postie or Algebra as my partner)

Aero thinks Postie and I are not a team. (As above, we as a team might quick hammer his current vote, Wyvern)
Aero thinks Postie and Algebra are not a team. (As above, they might quick hammer Wyvern)

Aero thinks the team could be Wyvern + Algebra (No perceived risk of a scum quick hammer with his current vote, because ScumWyvern isn't going to hammer himself) or Wyvern + Postie (he has a scum read on Postie).



Yesterday, Postie had a strong town read on Algebra and Wyvern. She thought Aero and I were a team, and that Town wouldn't win if that's the case because no one will vote us off. If she's following Aero's line of reasoning, she's confident enough that the team is not Algebra + Wyvern (or one of those two and me) that she's voting Aero, despite it potentially offering them a quick hammer to win.

Yesterday, Postie was chief architect of a mislynch (which Aero caved in to at the last minute).

So here's where I'm at. I'm going to vote Aeronaut unless someone can convince me that Aero and Postie are not working together in a strategy of distancing and trying to generate compromise lynches. I'm going to give it until we hear from the replacement and Algebra, though, just to be fair. Postie, if you and Aero aren't the scum team, now is the time to convince me of it.

For now, UNVOTE:

VOTE: Wyvernite
Scum team is in wyv aero Shannon

Vedith replaces Wyvernite!

Lets Celebrate! =D

VOTE: Aeronaut
fine then!

UNVOTE:

Wait what?

How are me and Shannon scum, but in your next post, postie is confscum?

I mean town obviously.
Postie is confirmed town as she could have voted me, meaning only me and her can be scum if she is, and I could have voted you.

That's all you had to add?
So Shannon and Alg have to be confirmed scum to Aero now
Aero has to be confirmed scum to Shannon
(In a town perspective on their own).

Why not?

You are obviously going to claim to be town, correct?
This means in your eyes there are 2 scum in me, Shannon and alg (Postie is proven town).
Now, me and Alg

CAN'T

be scum together in your eyes meaning that Shannon has to be scum to you.
I haven't lynched you, so I can't be scum as you town. That means that only Alg and Shannon can be scum to you.

Tell me again how that makes zero sense.

Now, with Shannon, she will also believe that scum is in me, you or Alg (Postie confirmed).
I haven't hammered, so me and Alg can't be scum together. This means you are confirmed scum in Shannon's eyes.

That only makes sense when you two aren't buddies

And you're buddies, like I said 100 times

VOTE: Vedith

This is a sure thing to me.

That only makes sense when you two aren't buddies

And you're buddies, like I said 100 times

You are at L1. If me and Postie are scum buddies, I can lynch you and we win the game.

I mean town obviously.
Postie is confirmed town as she could have voted me, meaning only me and her can be scum if she is, and I could have voted you.

Uh and I also could have voted anyone at any point, so it's not me?

(PS - the post I quoted above came at 4:19 AM my time, so as you were waiting for me to 'post before someone else and not hammer', you kind of mistimed that as I was in ZazzzZzzz land)

You didn't post when I had votes on me.
You are not clear.

OK, fair enough.

[shannon]

Ugh, sorry for that wall of crap, I forgot I had quotes saved and then I just tried to reply to one thing of Vedith's.

[shannon]

What I was going to post using the wall of crap posts is (and I was going to spoiler the posts)

527 - I put Postie at L-2
576 - Aero puts Wyv/Vedith at L-2
578 - Postie puts Aero at L-2
603 - I unvote, Postie now has no votes
613 - Algebra puts Wyv/Ved at L-1
620 - Algebra votes Aero to L-1 (change means wyv now L-2)
622 - Aero unvotes, Wyv/Ved now has no votes?
636 - Aero puts Vedith back at L-2

Is this right?

[shannon]

Well, it's plausible from your point of view. But that would also mean that Aero was pushing my lynch over others today where a mis lynch is what scum want.
He didn't unvote me until Alg did, and his unvote was obivously for credit. Just unlucky for them Shannon hadn't posted at the time.

The only scum teams it is possible to be
Aero / Me
Aero / Alg
Aero / Shannon

The way Wyvernite and Aero discussed to the way Aero and Shannon did is a big strong tell in itself too though.

But the main factor here... Shannon has shown willing to vote you today. If me and Aero were scum, I could have posted a bullshit case on you, push to vote you and even let Shannon believe I was bussing where Aero could then hammer.
Lets face it, these guys were never going to work out why you're confirmed town.

You misunderstand how my mind is working. I'm not voting Postie today, not because of your posts, but because Aero comes across as scummier. As I said, he was easily 'persuaded' by Postie at the end of D1, when he looked to be leaning one way on a lynch and went the other because of her arguments. I told him I thought she was manipulating him, and he denied it. If that's the case, then he made that choice all by himself and it came from a scum perspective.

As for Aero's partner? I don't know, we can figure that out tomorrow.

The only thing making me hesitate is that we might be wrong, and if we are it ends the game. I don't ever think it's a bad thing to take more time to think.

Another thing that just occurred to me - Are we sure this is a 2 person scum team? Newbie games are 7:2 and considered balanced with a max of 2 town PRs. If this is 5:2 and we've flipped a cop, we must have more power back there somewhere. Or - Is it possible that this is 6:1 and the scum has some kind of mechanic that helps? Like a dodge or something? IDK how this works but it seems weird that 7:2 and 5:2 could both be seen as balanced.

Additional thing: I've not been lynched and I'm not going to accept it tomorrow, Vedith, so you better night kill me now. Especially since the Cop wanted you to be today's lynch

[Vedith]

Another thing that just occurred to me - Are we sure this is a 2 person scum team? Newbie games are 7:2 and considered balanced with a max of 2 town PRs. If this is 5:2 and we've flipped a cop, we must have more power back there somewhere. Or - Is it possible that this is 6:1 and the scum has some kind of mechanic that helps? Like a dodge or something? IDK how this works but it seems weird that 7:2 and 5:2 could both be seen as balanced.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Super_Vanilla

[shannon]

Hah, TIL

[shannon]

That means clearing people as town when I'm scum isn't too bright btw.

And yet, I've seen scum do it. And he won, the bugger. Were you in that game? Your name is familiar, lemme go check

[shannon]

You were! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=67016

[Vedith]

You were! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=67016

I was a reaplcement and lynched day 1, what's your point on this?

[shannon]

That it's not unheard of for scum to clear town as a strategy.

[shannon]

I've got something else but I need to check with the mod if it's OK to say it x

[Vedith]

It's not unheard of doing most things in games.

[shannon]

Point being, I wouldn't put it past you.

[Vedith]

Point being, I wouldn't put it past you.

Ok

[shannon]

Right, so where are we up to? I'm happy to see the back of Aeronaut, but I want Vedith gone tomorrow too.

[Vedith]

I'm happy to see the back of Aeronaut

Change of tune, eh?

[Aeronaut]

Yeah that's a really funny switch you just had Shannon.

[Aeronaut]

So I don't have a computer until Saturday, so

im gonna be V/LA

until then. I doubt you're gonna give me that time, but vedith and postie are probs a team together

[algebra]

Yeah it's definitely aero and Shannon
I'm ready to end this

[Vedith]

VOTE: Aeronaut

[Aeronaut]

I was town, congrats.

Postie & Vedith 2016!