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[Kohai]

Let me rephrase: this is antitown because I am town risking letting people pile on a vote 7 pages in that most likely wouldn't flip scum, and then getting fosed for it, leading to potentially burning out multiple MLs due to my incompetence if it had happened.

If I were mafia, I'd be risking trading myself for a quicklynch d1, the day I imagine it's

least

suboptimal to quicklynch because flips help town and i heard scum rarely gets lynched d1 in forum mafia anyway. What's the scum thought process in doing that intentionally?

I can only imagine your argument is that I don't care who is lynched therefore I'm scum, but to that I'd point out that scum's first goal in the game -- or one of them, anyway -- is to look like they care who is lynched.

This feels contrived and feels like really bad WIFOM.

[JaeReed]

VC 1.06

rb (2)

: ironstove, TTTT

TTTT (2)

: Drone, rb

Impoetic (2)

: Kohai, Sesq

Lil Uzi Vert (1)

: drealmerz7

Sesq (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

drealmerz7 (1)

: shannon

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic, Transcend, Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

Nooooo my pagetop!

[drealmerz7]

bricked

[Kohai]

Sorry mod!

[Impoetic]

the "i heard scum rarely gets lynched d1 in forum mafia" line feels really off. You coming in and voting someone to L-2 without explanation, and then unvoting the second someone puts their fos on you, and then poorly defending yourself all feels very off. You stating what scum's goals are feels EXTREMELY off. Your prior post did have some good points, but you're still looking more suspicious than rb.

VOTE: Impoetic

Pedit: A lot of rb's wagon was jokevote/rvs shit, and I know I'd feel uncomfortable with a lynching under that. Don't think rb cares at all though.

Pedit2: Also, "impede the game"? What impeding has he done, other than questioning other people? He's my only townread so far.

i unvoted because my vote WAS a joke

read the post above it. They were talking about naked voting, so i naked voted. it seemed funny to me at the time

I defend myself when i get fosed. I'm impatient, and i'm not going to wait until people just naturally TR me for them to unvote if i think i can defend myself (as in, I said what came to mind, and i'm sure some of it was off, but so was the idea that what I did made me mafia)

I stated why scum's mindset wouldn't line up with what Kohai said was scummy. How is that off? Is town supposed to be incapable of trying to figure out what mafia is likely to be thinking at a certain point?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

ya'll over-react to L-2 wayyy too much

Hell, you over-react to L-1 too much

if you think somenoe is scummy, vote for them, if they get to L-2, they get to L-2, if then someone wants to take them to L-1, then they take them to L-1, and we watch and judge and take notes and then we wait for a claim, or for people who don't want their vote there anymore to go off, if a claim comes, we go from there

if a hammer comes before a claim, it's a policy lynch the next day, we found scum, the wagon was valuable, yes we lost a townie, but, that is how the game goes...no reason to put that to a stop as far as I see...hammer without a claim IS scum, simple as that...

why tell scum to not do something that will out them as scum?

I'm just being aware and cautious, not trying to delay the game. I don't see the case for rb other than the bad votes so I asked to see if anyone could give me a reason to join the wagon. Would you say those who haven't answered my question are impeding the game by not being informative? I don't think you would.

And was the bolded a scum slip? I never said I was scum reading Impoetic and I never told her to not do what she just did.

VOTE: Drealm

[drealmerz7]

voting to kill someone is no joke

[drealmerz7]

And was the bolded a scum slip? I never said I was scum reading Impoetic and I never told her to not do what she just did.

ohman, SRing even harder now

you did exactly that, said "nono, don't do that!" oof, I never said it was directed at impoetic even, it was a general stance you took

anyway...I'm tired

hard SR here

[Impoetic]

Let me rephrase: this is antitown because I am town risking letting people pile on a vote 7 pages in that most likely wouldn't flip scum, and then getting fosed for it, leading to potentially burning out multiple MLs due to my incompetence if it had happened.

If I were mafia, I'd be risking trading myself for a quicklynch d1, the day I imagine it's

least

suboptimal to quicklynch because flips help town and i heard scum rarely gets lynched d1 in forum mafia anyway. What's the scum thought process in doing that intentionally?

I can only imagine your argument is that I don't care who is lynched therefore I'm scum, but to that I'd point out that scum's first goal in the game -- or one of them, anyway -- is to look like they care who is lynched.

This feels contrived and feels like really bad WIFOM.

Thanks, it's bad wifom because it's not wifom

If it were contrived i'd be trying harder to make it clear and easy-to-follow rather than jumbled like it probably was (haven't read it, so idk). I'm trying to explain to you why a joke vote isn't scummy, even if it is out of place, which I don't feel it was, this being page 5.

You haven't answered me. Why do you think i did it as scum?

[drealmerz7]

impoetic - would you agree it was very anti-town to cast a vote that you didn't believe in at this stage in the game?

[Kohai]

I'm getting off work in 5 hours. I'll make my cases then. For now, FOS on:

1. Impoetic
2. Dreal
3. RB

I'm fairly confident at least one of these is scum. I will further make my case when I get off.

[Impoetic]

voting to kill someone is no joke

i STILL think it was funny

[Lil Uzi Vert]

And was the bolded a scum slip? I never said I was scum reading Impoetic and I never told her to not do what she just did.

ohman, SRing even harder now

you did exactly that, said "nono, don't do that!" oof, I never said it was directed at impoetic even, it was a general stance you took

anyway...I'm tired

hard SR here

Thing is I never took that stance, reread. Stop misrepresenting.

[Kohai]

Impoetic Is literally saying that she wouldn't do X as scum because it is obv anti town, yet she does X anyway; therefore she isn't scum. Yeah, I'm fairly convinced Impoetic is scum.

[drealmerz7]

so you're the type of person to go up to a stranger, punch them in the face, and think it's funny / walk away laughing?

[drealmerz7]

Thing is I never took that stance, reread. Stop misrepresenting.

okay so you're okay if the wagon were to build to L-2, L-1, claim, + lynch in the next hour?

[Impoetic]

impoetic - would you agree it was very anti-town to cast a vote that you didn't believe in at this stage in the game?

i said it was somewhat antitown

i didn't think it was that bad, no. i might be underestimating the likelihood of 2 votes piling on while i'm catching up; i was going to unvote soon no matter what, and i didn't think it hurt anything. I was honestly hoping the rb or TTTTT would be there to react, but they weren't

*mumbling* i bet

they

wouldn't have pushed me over it

predit: no, that's not what i'm literally saying

i'm explaining why it's not scummy and was trying to explain that if i WERE scum, it wouldn't be antitown, because if he really got lynched, i'd be next, and a 1v1 trade isn't worth it

nice one-liners and strawmen, can you please answer my question and actually address me instead of talking to everyone else

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Thing is I never took that stance, reread. Stop misrepresenting.

okay so you're okay if the wagon were to build to L-2, L-1, claim, + lynch in the next hour?

If intent was declared and everyone had a chance to discuss the claim, sure. I'm not quite understanding what this has to do with you misrepresentation of recent events though.

[Impoetic]

so you're the type of person to go up to a stranger, punch them in the face, and think it's funny / walk away laughing?

in a video game? Yeah

[rb]

drealmerz ur such a serious person wow

[rb]

how the fuck did my wagon evaporate? scummiest wagon ive ever fucking seen tbh

[rb]

TTTT is probably town for staying on it actually

[rb]

UNVOTE: TTTT

[rb]

we should kill one of the people who got on and then off the wagon

[rb]

Thing is I never took that stance, reread. Stop misrepresenting.

okay so you're okay if the wagon were to build to L-2, L-1, claim, + lynch in the next hour?

how have u not learned from NY198?

we are playing a game of finding ppl who are deceiving us, playing slower does not increase our chances of finding such people