Newbie 1752: Wave - Game Over

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Depends if Drone flips goon or roleblocker.
Either way, I jail Creature.
1)If Drone is goon and anyone dies, it's possible that I get roleblocked and scum targets someone else, but not likely, because if there is a roleblocker then there is a bulletproof also.
2)If drone is roleblocker
2a)and nobody dies, it is still possible creature is not the scum, because scum could choose to no kill to frame Creature. No Kill is unlikely because it sets us up to select 2 of {Tenshii, Blake, Creature} and lynch them consecutively for an auto win if one of those 2 are scum.
2b)and I or die, it is still possible that Creature is not the scum. If this happens I think Tenshii must be looked at as well but Drone/Creature looks really convincing to me right now. Blake is not likely to be scum with Drone considering how hard Drone has been pushing Blake all game.
3)If Drone is town I will JK an undisclosed player and if we live to see the morning I will reveal who I jailed

bump

[Tenshii]

I am anxiously and excitedly waiting for this flip.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I doubt we'll need a prod, I think we've just been waiting on Tenshii to weigh in and now that the lynch is in I expect people will get right back into it in the game morning.

@mod

Can we do the short night again if we all pm you?

[Creature]

Hi Drone, you were hammered.

[Charloux]

About bloody time someone got lynched.
10$ That he is a jester

[grapes]

FINAL DAY 4 VOTECOUNT

Drone (4):

ssbm_Kyouko, Blakebtb23, Charloux, Tenshii

(LYNCH)

Blakebtb23 (1):

Drone

Not Voting (1):

Creature

With 6 votes in play, 4 were needed to lynch.

[grapes]

Spoiler: Drone was lynched Day 4 ...

... he was a

Mafia Goon

.

[grapes]

It is now Night 4.

You have (expired on 2016-11-29 20:45:02) to place night actions.

@mod

Can we do the short night again if we all pm you?

Of course.

[grapes]

Spoiler: ssbm_Kyouko was killed Night 4 ...

... he was a

Town Jailkeeper

.

[grapes]

It is now Day 5.

DAY 5 VOTECOUNT 00

Not Voting (4):

Blakebtb23, Charloux, Tenshii, Creature

With 4 votes in play, 3 are needed to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2016-12-13 22:07:02)

Men Without Hats - Safety Dance

[Blakebtb23]

Ok guys, I am one shot bulletproof. This means there is a Roleblocker in game, most likely Creature was RB and blocked and killed ssbm. There is an off chance that Creature is not RB and it was actually Charloux/Tenshii, but I think we should trust ssbm’s read and vote Creature.
VOTE: Creature

[Blakebtb23]

Should be common sense, but do not put him to L-1 until everyone gets a chance to talk, if somehow i'm wrong and it is Tenshii/Charloux, then they can hammer and win. Just discussion for now.

[Tenshii]

I don't understand. You know there's only one mafia left right? It's impossible for it to be Charloux/Tenshii.

[Blakebtb23]

Why? You or Charloux could be RB instead of Creature, and either of you could have killed ssbm. Unlikely considering ssbm's read on Creature, but possible. Oh and by Charloux/Tenshii, I mean one of the 2

[Tenshii]

VOTE: Blake

I am one-shot bulletproof. For the majority of the game, I tried to play like I was Vanilla Town. Early game, CloudKicker PR read me and I still don't know how he got that. I avoided reacting to it in case he was bullshitting or in case others didn't necessarily believe him. I think reacting to it in any way would give off potential info on me actually being a PR.

I think we should just no lynch w/o claiming. All of the reward possibilities for Night PR's outweigh any reward I can think of for claiming/lynching today.

This is D3, the day after the first night without a kill. I wanted to NL because I wanted potential info from a potential tracker. I also thought one clear is the same as two clears so I was fine with the JK dying. I later on realized that I wouldn't necessarily be clear, but that was my thought process at the time.

I don't really have much patience left.
VOTE: Angel

This is D4, the day after the second night without a kill. I thought this was Charloux's soft at Jailkeeping me last night. Tenshi (single I) means Angel in Japanese. Charloux can confirm this. He even RVS'd me in a completed game because he disliked angels.

I doubt 1shot BP even gets told if they get shot

Can confirm

This is me trying to communicate to what I thought was Jailkeeper!Charloux and telling him to target someone else tonight.

(Another reason I can't claim rn is because if this is the case, and if Charloux and Creature are both Goons, they would know there is no real BP Townie and Charloux would just claim it because no town would CC them. We'd then surely mislynch and lose. You must not trust any BP townie claim if it comes after mine. I will do my best to get BP townie to come forward before I claim today.)

This is where I realized I wouldn't necessarily be clear.

I think Kyouko should announce his jail target tonight before today's hammer. In a best case scenario where roleblocker is lynched, the jail target either becomes clear or we get a mislynch because the last mafia has to be a goon. If a goon is lynched then hopefully the last mafia is a goon as well.

This is me trying to balance out what I've done and hide my role. There was no longer any benefit in letting my role known.

[Blakebtb23]

I’m writing this at the start of Day 5. SSBM_Kyouko inspired me when he did this, as it’s seemed like a very good strat so I will be following his lead. I will reveal when someone counterclaims BP.


I wake up from my nap and check my mafia game. I am excited because I know if there is no kill, then creature was most likely goon and was jailkept by ssbm and we won. I expected this going in, as I was hoping there was no BP/roleblocker, but unfortunately, ssbm died. I immediately said fuck out loud as I knew we were in a tough spot now. I knew that must mean either two things:
1. Creature roleblocked ssbm and ssbm was killed.
2. Creature was not scum, Charloux/Tenshii were and killed ssbm. They can be either goon or RB.
Either way, I knew a BP claim would be most likely be among the first to happen. So i checked what I would think if each person claimed BP in each scenario:


1.Creature: If creature claims BP when he was actually RB, the real BP would immediately Counterclaim. This would be either Tenshii or Charloux. I would not be comfortable in choosing who is telling the truth and I think this would end up as a 50/50 for me.


2.Creature: If creature claims BP and is actually BP, the RB in Tenshii/Charloux can CC and create a 50/50, same as above


1.Tenshii/Charloux: Tenshii/Charloux claims BP and is actually BP. In this case, Creature as RB would be forced to CC. We would most likely not believe Creature and lynch him. But this creates a problem if it’s actually 2.Tenshii/Charloux


2.Tenshii/Charloux: Tenshii/Charloux claims BP and is actually RB/goon. This is such a dangerous scenario, and the primary reason I’m making this post. If they are goon, they know no one will CC them. If they are RB, this play is a lot less likely to happen, but they could gamble on Creature being BP and counterclaiming, in which case we would believe Tenshii/Charloux and lose.




Then I thought, what happens if I claim BP and vote for Creature? 2 scenarios:


1: The real BP counterclaims
-At this point I release this post explaining my intentions
-I think I can be confident that whoever CC’ed me is telling the truth and is actually BP. I do not think a Tenshii/Charloux vanilla goon would CC me since I am pushing onto Creature. This means that Creature was most likely RB, with an outside chance the remaining Tenshii/Charloux is RB. We lynch Creature here
-A third scenario is where Creature as RB counterclaims, then the real BP claims. This would be very good, and I would be confident Creature is actually RB.


2: There is no CC which means this set is probably vanilla goon in Tenshii/Charloux
-Everyone would trust me and be onboard with lynching Creature. This includes the vanilla goon in Tenshii/Charloux. Depending on how they react I hope we can get info to make it better than a 50/50 between them.
-As I was writing this, I realized the possibility of vanilla goon counterclaiming BP. This would be bad. But I do not think they immediately will whereas a real BP immediately would. I think vanilla goon would ride the Creature wagon.
-No one will vote until everyone has had a chance to not CC. Before anyone votes, I will unvote and post this. Then we will lynch Tenshii/Charloux.


For this play to work I need you all to trust me after i post this, if there is a CC. ssbm said I was the most town due to me and drone pushing hard against eachother all game, you need to trust that read from ssbm and not think I was gaming you. I believe I am the best person to do this play because I believe you will trust me after the fallout, due to ssbm’s read on me. Let’s hope this worked. Personally, what I’m hoping to come out of this is a Tenshii/Charloux BP claim, then we lynch Creature. Regardless of what happens, I think we will gain more info and reactions with this play then without.

[Blakebtb23]

So tldr, I fake claimed BP to get a reaction from the real BP before the RB could claim first. I felt that if anyone claimed BP, it would turn into a 50/50 in my eyes. But if I claimed and someone CC'ed, I would know they are telling the truth. Now I'm confident Tenshii is BP and Creature is almost surely Roleblocker

[Tenshii]

For now

UNVOTE:

[Tenshii]

Ugh. Blake talk to me on why you think Creature is scum.

[Tenshii]

I can't tell if I suck this badly or if I'm a god for reading Creature correctly despite everyone else scumreading him.

[Blakebtb23]

I wasn't sure that Creature was scum before today. I thought it could also easily be you or Charloux. That's why I did this play, because I wanted to be confident that whoever claimed BP was telling the truth. If I hadn't done this and you and Creature both claimed, I wouldn't know who to trust and it would be a near 50/50. I would still probably lean towards creature being scum, because him being roleblocker and blocking ssbm adds up. I also trust ssbm's final read on creature. ssbm also said watch out for you, but you are confirmed BP in my eyes.

So now for me, I have to decide about Charloux vs Creature. I think Charloux has been way more towny, and I also was swayed from his fake cop claim play. What are your reads on it being Charloux over Creature? I'm open to changing my mind if you can convince me, but I'm firmly in Creature's camp right now

[Charloux]

If i were mafia and in Tenshii's shoes i wouldn't cc, but rather push for a Creature lynch.

Well i determined yesterday that it would be either Drone+Creature or Tenshii+Blake.
VOTE: Creature

[Creature]

Wait, I am confscum because of ssbm's read?

[Creature]

Okay, let's give a thought first.

[Creature]

You should also note that the last scum immediatelly knows whether there's a BP or not, and if there isn't, he'd rather claim BP itself so town has one less confirmed town.