Micro 657: Vanillite Mafia (Game Over!)

[Vedith]

Nice Postie, we won!

[shannon]

VOTE: Aeronaut

Dude why drag it out all day with 'confirmed this' and 'unconfirmed that' if you're just gonna do that?

[algebra]

Wow 70% of my reads were wrong this game

[Aristophanes]

It appears a lynch has been reached!

Vanilla Twilight until I get home!

[Aristophanes]

VC 2.LYNCH

Vedith

(1): Aeronaut 636

Aeronaut

(1): Postie 578, Algebra 620, Vedith 673

LYNCH!

Not Voting

(1): Shannon 603

With 5 alive, it takes 3 votes to lynch
D2 will end Dec 3/16 at 7:30am EST or in (expired on 2016-12-03 07:30:00)

Mod Notes: Nothing. You are all great!
Have a fun night phase!

Aeronaut, Mafia Roleblocker, was Lynched!

N2 will end Nov 26/16 at 7:30am EST or in (expired on 2016-11-26 07:30:00)
I will make a shorter night if everyone requests it.

[Aristophanes]

[Aristophanes]

I think I screwed up my timing?
Regardless, I'll open this up asap!

[Aristophanes]

During the night, our beloved Postie, VT, has died!
Good luck to all who remain!

VC 3.0

Not Voting

(3): Shannon, Vedith, Algebra

With 3 alive, it takes 2 votes to lynch
D3 will end Dec 8/16 at 7:30am EST or in (expired on 2016-12-08 07:30:00)

Mod Notes: Nada for now!

[algebra]

I was town, congrats.

Postie & Vedith 2016!

This must be a set up for the partner. Since postie is town, I think it has to be vedith

[Vedith]

This must be a set up for the partner. Since postie is town, I think it has to be vedith

Don't be bad.
It's already proven to be Aero and Shannon.

If I was scum, kill you, leave Postie to play the reverse I would leave Postie blah blah and instant win and Postie was never lynching me over Shannon.

Shannon was trying to push away from Postie being confirmed and even tried to push for only 1 scum. It doesn't take a genius to add 1+1.

[shannon]

Asking questions doesn't mean I was pushing. Pushing is pushing. The reason I was asking whether there could be 1 scum, is unsurprisingly, because I wasn't sure about how the game balances. Check my join date, bro.

[shannon]

See this part in bold? This is what my push looks like. And what's more, it's bloody spot on. D1, Aero flip flopped his vote for town cred.

Here are the two possibilities as I see them:

1) Algebra is scum and has been coasting all game

2) Vedith is scum and for some reason decided to bus yesterday instead of looking for a mislynch to end it there. Besides some perverse motivation to win in 3P, I can't see a reason for his doing that.

Another thing to look at is the night kill. Why Postie? POE:

Scum kills me: no way will Vedith vote Postie, and vice versa. Algebra is toast

Scum kills Vedith: if he flips town, my doubts about his town case on Postie go away, Algebra is toast (unless he pulls out something big to get Postie to vote me, but that would look awful given his play so far this game)

Scum kills Algebra: Postie and Vedith would both vote me; but we know Postie is town now so that would make Vedith scum. But Vedith is the one who started the town case on Postie and who was really into the Aero lynch, so that makes 0 sense. (Again, why bus Aero when you could possibly mislynch me instead?)

Algebra killed Postie because it's all he could do. Unless Vedith is playing silly buggers (and arguably, it's against wincon to bus and extend a game when you could win it that day), it's gotta be Algebra.

Well, it's plausible from your point of view. But that would also mean that Aero was pushing my lynch over others today where a mis lynch is what scum want.
He didn't unvote me until Alg did, and his unvote was obivously for credit. Just unlucky for them Shannon hadn't posted at the time.

The only scum teams it is possible to be
Aero / Me
Aero / Alg
Aero / Shannon

The way Wyvernite and Aero discussed to the way Aero and Shannon did is a big strong tell in itself too though.

But the main factor here... Shannon has shown willing to vote you today. If me and Aero were scum, I could have posted a bullshit case on you, push to vote you and even let Shannon believe I was bussing where Aero could then hammer.
Lets face it, these guys were never going to work out why you're confirmed town.

You misunderstand how my mind is working. I'm not voting Postie today, not because of your posts, but because Aero comes across as scummier. As I said, he was easily 'persuaded' by Postie at the end of D1, when he looked to be leaning one way on a lynch and went the other because of her arguments. I told him I thought she was manipulating him, and he denied it. If that's the case, then he made that choice all by himself and it came from a scum perspective.

As for Aero's partner? I don't know, we can figure that out tomorrow.

The only thing making me hesitate is that we might be wrong, and if we are it ends the game. I don't ever think it's a bad thing to take more time to think.

Another thing that just occurred to me - Are we sure this is a 2 person scum team? Newbie games are 7:2 and considered balanced with a max of 2 town PRs. If this is 5:2 and we've flipped a cop, we must have more power back there somewhere. Or - Is it possible that this is 6:1 and the scum has some kind of mechanic that helps? Like a dodge or something? IDK how this works but it seems weird that 7:2 and 5:2 could both be seen as balanced.

Additional thing: I've not been lynched and I'm not going to accept it tomorrow, Vedith, so you better night kill me now. Especially since the Cop wanted you to be today's lynch

[shannon]

Algebra, I want you to vote me. Then I'm going to vote you, Vedith is going to hammer you, and a glorious town victory will ensue.

[Vedith]

Postie was always going to be the night kill because she was town confirm down every path.
Keeping Postie alive would have benefited both me or Alg as scum, as Postie was set on you being scum like I am.
All that Alg voting you proves is that I'm town, not that you are town.

[algebra]

Yeah you're right it's Shannon
VOTE: shannon

[Vedith]

VOTE: Shannon

[Vedith]

This is a pretty good setup.
I was really worried about a tracker, but had to make the kill attempt.
If we had a jailor or doc that saved Postie (which I was actually hoping) we could have pushed for a scum no kill with a follow up lie of role.

[shannon]

Dudes town just lost, I'm a VT. But one of you knew that anyway. *sigh*

[shannon]

So OK, game's over now, was I right? Algebra are you scum?

[shannon]

Just going to throw in a few for good measure.

[Vedith]

I was scum, sorry Shannon!

[shannon]

Why on earth did you not lynch me yesterday then, instead of whatsisface?

[Vedith]

Why on earth did you not lynch me yesterday then, instead of whatsisface?

Because you was never at L1?
And pushing to you would have been a lot harder considering Aero was confirmed scum. Lynching probably scum over confirmed scum means I get lynched.

[Vedith]

Postie was set on lynching Aero, and Alg was suspecting me and Aero already.
The best bet was to get town cred and sacrifice Aero.

I did say last night that Alg was going to suspect me and when he posted that it was probably me I thought it was over

[algebra]

I was going to vote Vedith, until shannon said she was going to vote me.