Mini Normal 1857 (Game Over - Mafia Wins!)

[Drone]

He practically turned Transcend mode once the wagon gathered participants. A feeling of safety enabled only after the wagon rose to new levels.

[Transcend]

what's "dead scummy" about it?

pedit: town want scum dead just as much as scum want town dead...??? deathtunneling is a common strategy done by town players jsyk.

[Drone]

Some reluctance is healthy town play (see Drone's retraction from TTTT, Kyouku).

The accelerated aggressiveness on rb is, indeed scummy.

[Drone]

As someone who considered your call on Kyouko case,
Please consider mine on rb case.

[Drone]

Vig on rb, if he ain't dead it's fairly fine to assume he's BP. Scum won't be targeting him now.

[Transcend]

ok drone

i'll take a half an hour exactly to reread rb to make sure that i truly scumread him.

PEDIT: No.

[ironstove]

btw the most appropriate claim for town BP at that point is doc who can self-target

stops the lynch and draws the NK WIFOM choice for scum

KILLL IIIT

So you're telling me if he had claimed doc that could self-target that would have been believable to you?

[Drone]

Basically, Drealm just scum slipped.
That's how I see it.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'm drunk rn and can't look for the slip but if you quote it maybe I'll believe you

[drealmerz7]

btw the most appropriate claim for town BP at that point is doc who can self-target

stops the lynch and draws the NK WIFOM choice for scum

KILLL IIIT

So you're telling me if he had claimed doc that could self-target that would have been believable to you?

yes we get them on my HS often enough

Basically, Drealm just scum slipped.
That's how I see it.

uhh what? I don't even know what you're seeing, but, no, obviously not a scumslip wahtever it was, please tell me

[ironstove]

Vig on rb, if he ain't dead it's fairly fine to assume he's BP. Scum won't be targeting him now.

ok drone

i'll take a half an hour exactly to reread rb to make sure that i truly scumread him.

PEDIT: No.

This actually sounds like a great plan, why wouldn't we have vig shoot rb to confirm he's vested?

[ironstove]

btw the most appropriate claim for town BP at that point is doc who can self-target

stops the lynch and draws the NK WIFOM choice for scum

KILLL IIIT

So you're telling me if he had claimed doc that could self-target that would have been believable to you?

yes we get them on my HS often enough

Basically, Drealm just scum slipped.
That's how I see it.

uhh what? I don't even know what you're seeing, but, no, obviously not a scumslip wahtever it was, please tell me

Can you link me to a few games you've had a doc that can self-target? I've never seen one on this website yet. That sounds as OP as a jailer that can self-target.

[Transcend]

Drone, no. I just reviewed both drealmerz's and rb's ISO's.

drealmerz7 is town, rb is scum.

If rb flips town, you have my blessing to flashwagon drealmerz.

But rb's reactions to drealmerz/me have been awful as well as the rest of his game.

[Drone]

Your points on the BP claim.
As you may seem he can't deliver the playstyle he should be right now, but rb definitely ain't a fool to not know how wasteful it is to claim BP day 1.
There's reason he did, and the play prior to it just hints me there's no scum motive here.

You instead, go ahead and aggressively push him over this. For scum it's a golden road for a mislynch.
This with the addition of how comfy you are with lynching him after claim, and Ironstove's quote.

[drealmerz7]

Can you link me to a few games you've had a doc that can self-target? I've never seen one on this website yet. That sounds as OP as a jailer that can self-target.

on my homesite, and no, not fond of sharing that (it's a very small mafia community)

it's not OP when there are other balancing factors

most often they can't self-target on consecutive nights, but not always, same with jailers, often enough, not the most often (most often is like it is here, I figure), but 1/4 times there's a doc, they can probably self-target, and 1/4 times there's a jailer, they can probably self-target, and probably 9/10 times for each of those it is non-consecutive

[drealmerz7]

I don't see how that's a "slip" , but terminology aside, ummm, you're more williing to believe all of that is true because you don't like how I pushed the issue?

how about if I hadn't pushed the issue, how would you be reading rb?

I pushed as I did because I had the confidence, because I've been SRing since the very beginning and it hasn't changed, then grew, and then got solidified.

that's how you play the game - now, believe with my view or not, fine, but, to just SR me because I got confident in my read, is silly

[ironstove]

Why are you citing off site games as examples if you're not even going to link them?

So based on you running into self-target doc on your off-site games, you're going to believe someone here that they have the ability to self-target as doc in a normal setup?

FMPOV, it looks like you're throwing shade at the BP claim in order to push for the lynch. I thought your reasoning was weak and your uncooperative behavior when I pushed you for more information and proof solidifies my theory.

[ironstove]

Vig on rb, if he ain't dead it's fairly fine to assume he's BP. Scum won't be targeting him now.

ok drone

i'll take a half an hour exactly to reread rb to make sure that i truly scumread him.

PEDIT: No.

This actually sounds like a great plan, why wouldn't we have vig shoot rb to confirm he's vested?

Requoting, transcend can you answer this?

[Drone]

UNVOTE: Drealm

I'm buying rb's claim before I suspect you, for clarity.
Let's not lynch rb, let him be shot. He ain't supposed to live if he ain't true.

[drealmerz7]

Why are you citing off site games as examples if you're not even going to link them?

So based on you running into self-target doc on your off-site games, you're going to believe someone here that they have the ability to self-target as doc in a normal setup?

FMPOV, it looks like you're throwing shade at the BP claim in order to push for the lynch. I thought your reasoning was weak and your uncooperative behavior when I pushed you for more information and proof solidifies my theory.

BECAUSE YOU FUCKING ASKED ME ABOUT IT. it's not uncooperative - are you just scummy by nature?

and now you're not even talking about anything - we're talking about rb, who has claimed a BP role, k? you with?

[TTTT]

@rb
can you show us any prior games where you are were 1-shot BP and also completely useless to town day1?
cuz thats my problem with this claim

[Transcend]

rb's scum

i told you to just lolhammer him

[TTTT]

dreaml's lack of concern for the claim is pretty bad

[Transcend]

and how is my lack on concern not?

[rb]

What of Drealm's don't you trust right now? His push on rb?

@rb
can you show us any prior games where you are were 1-shot BP and also completely useless to town day1?
cuz thats my problem with this claim

Have never played 1-shot BP before. Only experience with it was someone claiming it Day1 and I've always played under assumption that town shouldn't lie about stuff even if for a perceived benefit in short term because it's just long term bad.