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[TTTT]

I don't mean to sound cocky, but I've never been lynched as scum on this site, and I've been the townread in every game I was scum. If I was scum, I wouldn't even be considered scum right now.

^still implicitly townreading his wagon

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Hey T-dog why do you want to see a competing gerry wagon? rb and LUV are teamtelling af early game, both acting p scummy lately, rb wagon is being met with a lot of resistance. P sure LUV and rb are 2/3 do you really think gerry is third? Or even that he's more likely than rb at this point?

Also this looks like a scumslip to me

Transcend, what if you agree to help

us

lynch D7 and then if he somehow flips town, we'll lynch rb tomorrow?

[shannon]

Gerry's looking suspicious, I must admit.

RB more so, though.

How so?

This looks like someone who just wants to be with the in crowd and is getting ready to jump to Gerry if the wind blows that way

Bp is a common scumclaim

And rb has done nothing to act like a bp

There is

so much resistance on his slot too

.

And scum claim bp so they can claim pr and get away with not dying.

He's probably also a scum power role. .

Just noose him already. Cripes sake.

Think about

how hard the resistance is

to the rb lynch is.

[shannon]

Would someone (other than Transcend) like to explain please, with quotes, what the case on RB is?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Would someone (other than Transcend) like to explain please, with quotes, what the case on RB is?

Maybe. *opens notes file*

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also it's kinda silly to ask in that way if you're SRing Transcend because the mafia have daytalk in this setup.

[Transcend]

WOULD YOU APEBRAINED MORONS JUST VOTE RB ALL THE FUCK READY

[ssbm_Kyouko]

So a quick summary of my reasons for voting rb up to the point I voted him are here, which I think you've already seen:

I was hoping to see improvement from rb but it never came and his iso really bothers me.
First he SRs me for something I feel was unwarranted, then he starts to show association first with shannon then LUV. He tries to discredit an already weak drealmerz vote, which I think is an overreaction to what is probably a weak SR. He mentions the game being boring and him being disinterested in the game a couple of times in there. I don't do meta reads that are presented to me so idc about the image macro tell that people are talking about, nor have I read any of the example games posted.

He tells people to vote me on 3 separate occasions, then when he reaches 4 votes on himself he suddenly forgets why he was ever SRing me and switches onto TTTT. Once everyone besides TTTT get off of it he turns to buddying the last person left on his wagon. I think the only reason rb dropped me down his priority lynches is because it seemed unlikely I would be lynched since Transcend TRs me. Not sure if it was before or after the announcing of the "block". He still wanted to vote Sesq/Drealmerz>Me>Impo, because the first 2 of us were the ones that flipped off his wagon and Impo was the strongest wagon at the time (at 3 votes). I think him putting my name on that list between his SRs was an attempt to look consistent and still set up to later vote Impo if she dug herself any deeper. He mentions a second time in 262 that he forgot why he was SRing me in the first place, which looks like he's trying to disassociate himself from it.

I just don't see him flipping town.

Spoiler: Quotes detailing the points in 849

I just made a note "48 - enter rb:gets on the first wagon that is picking up with real intent but attributes his vote to an rvs policy lynch"
His motivation here is either scummy or towny so I'm hoping he's town

No way dude. You mean my motivation could be scummy OR towny? What an enlightening post, it's so good I think I might just

VOTE: ssbm

First he SRs me for something I feel was unwarranted^

so I'm thinking scum would usually hop on a 4th spot in a situation like this and push the wagon along / at least see if it gets a little more traction...that they haven't eeeither means there is scum already on it and they don't want to double-down, or it is scum...

Or you know, maybe they haven't had time to vote yet? I'll have to go back and look at the wagon, but it's interesting that you're trying to narrow it down to either the wagon target or the wagon members, at this early stage.

VOTE: Drealmerz

I like this post. Shannon can be town for now

Shannon association^

VOTE: rb

Mind sharing why?

Fear vote imo. At least it's what I'll tell myself to feel good.

Discrediting what looks like a legit vote. May or may not be an attitude tell over a scum tell

This game's boring, we should lynch a scum or 5 to spice it up.

I'm actually really bored of mafia right now and I think drealmerz + sesq are both good lynches.

it's not sesq voting it's me getting back from work and posting, i'm still pretty uninterested in mafia atm because i'm generally tired

Here's all the posts about him being bored which I wasn't a fan of from above. The meta dive, like I said, was whatever. Not part of my vote, maybe not part of anyone's besides ironstoves original one?

we should have more ssbm votes tbh

sesq is probably town rn

you can start by changing your vote to ssbm

super saiyan blue majiffy is probably not town tbh

So here are the posts where he's telling people to vote me

Actually I forgot why I was scumreading ssbm.

VOTE: TTTTT

Naked vote entrance, insists Drone explains stuff when all he's done is naked vote.

Then suddenly he's forgotten why he SRs me and doesn't even check his own or my ISOs to try to remember?

how the fuck did my wagon evaporate? scummiest wagon ive ever fucking seen tbh

TTTT is probably town for staying on it actually

UNVOTE: TTTT

Here's the buddying TTTT part. He does it some more later if you read the full ISO.

I think theres scum in Impo/sesq/drealmerz/someone else i forgot the name of but i think Impo is the worst pick of the bunch

Was it Drone? His entrance was a little awkward and felt kind of forced.

i remember it was ssbm - but i forgot why i was even scumreading him as well now

Again this just looks off to me. If I forgot why I was SRing someone I'd go back and review what they'd done to see if I'm still going to SR them or if maybe I overreacted to something they posted. I wouldn't just assume I was wrong automatically and not check back. Maybe it doesn't matter to rb why he reads players either way because he already knows everyone's alignment? Something I pointed out below.

His comment on rb not considering that he is a good scum player is implying that rb knows Mr. T is not scum, which implies that rb is scum.

rb drops off of the map for a while (47 hours, but one of those days is a Sunday) after replying to my 287 and comes back with one of his "I'm bored" posts. As I said in 849 at the top of this post I was hoping to see improvement in rb upon his return, but I didn't see that. Post-claim rb looks like he's trying and maybe he's town but I still think the claim is fake and I wish he would have tried sooner than this. If he turns out to be town maybe he's right about Sesq. I SRed Sesq really early on but ended up dropping that a while back. She's not really convincing me she's town but as long as she's on rb when he's lynched and he flips scum she'll be looking a bit better to me.

Lastly, I think rb is a necessary lynch because of the WIFOM his claim presents to town in LyLo/MyLo. If he is never NKed we're stuck wondering if he was really BP the whole time and that's why he never died, or if he was scum lying about being BP in the first place to cover up for why he was never dying at night. In order to guarantee a flip and see if he was lying he has to be lynched. Alternatively, a cop could check him, but there is no guarantee we even have a cop. Even if we do have one, I feel like it would be a wasted action to check rb when you could check Transcend, me or D7 after a town!rb flip or TTTT/ironstove after a scum!rb flip.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also TTTT what do you think seeing these posts all in a row? Note that rb claims between 935 and 970.

tempted to hammer before scum can abandon this wagon

tempted to hammer before scum can abandon this wagon

Please don't.

tempted to hammer before scum can abandon this wagon

scum on the wagon hottakes rn pls

LUV
maybe trans or sesq

[INSERT rb CLAIM HERE]

UNVOTE:

[drealmerz7]

PLEASE JUST TRUST ME ON THIS ONE

I AM BEGGING YOU

LOOK EVERYONE, TRANSCEND AND I AGREE ON THIS IT CAN'T BE WRONG!!!! THE STARS ARE ALIGNED OR SOME SHIT!!!

[drealmerz7]

LUV so scummy, oh yeah, that's this game, LUV been scummy from the GO

[drealmerz7]

Would someone (other than Transcend) like to explain please, with quotes, what the case on RB is?

are you following along?

rb meta WAOH BAHD SCUMTELLY and he knows it and hides hides hides hopes it goes away, it never does

finally BP claim from him WAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA- if he is BP he has not been playing AT ALL LIKE A BP AT ALL NO NO NO NO A BP DOESN'T PLAY LIKE THIS AND rb KNOWS IT!!! but hey, he figures he's smarter than everyone and can get one over on us - it's a scumclaim through and through - no counterclaim to be had (because even if there is, multiple BPs is fine and easy to argue exist), OMG it hurts my brain to try and explain it is so obvious why, smart vig. doesn't risk the shot, it all lines up

it hurts

it hurts

hurts

DON'T LET HIM OMG IT'S SO CLEAR

[TTTT]

Hey T-dog why do you want to see a competing gerry wagon?

950 kinda answers this.

here's my overall take on how it has gone down:

rb had three votes (trans, d7, sesq)
then sesq did a weird unvote (which rb called opportunistic)
gerryoat replaced kohai
I didn't like rb or kohai(gerry) and wanted to see what would happen if I pushed another wagon, so I voted gerry and said I wanted two competing wagons
drone and ssbm voted rb soon after
LUV unvoted d7 and voted rb
i said we needed a bigger wagon on gerry (I was still the only vote and rb's wagon was growing)
iron votes gerry
both LUV and d7 started asking questions about my gerry-wagon
then gerry started acting legitimately scummy (887 until now)
sesq puts rb to L-1
iron says no hammer take our time
i openly flirt with the idea of quick-hammering
trans says DO EET
LUV says please don't (but doesn't unvote???)
i ask again for more gerry votes so he will post some useful content before rb is lynched
LUV tries to convince me to not scumread gerry based on kohai
fluffy parks his vote on gerry
then the rb & trans claims come out
rb says he doubts gerry is scum
LUV unvotes rb
and then the last ten pages basically nothing happens


I still think rb has a higher likelihood of being scum than being town.
But I think gerry is higher
LUV also looks bad

[TTTT]

Also TTTT what do you think seeing these posts all in a row? Note that rb claims between 935 and 970.

if rb flips scum then LUV is probscum

[Transcend]

Also TTTT what do you think seeing these posts all in a row? Note that rb claims between 935 and 970.

if rb flips scum then LUV is probscum

Wanna test the waters then?

[drealmerz7]

Also TTTT what do you think seeing these posts all in a row? Note that rb claims between 935 and 970.

if rb flips scum then LUV is probscum

yes

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Kyouko: Us is referring to me and everyone else who is scum reading D7.

[TTTT]

Wanna test the waters then?

not yet

[TTTT]

@Kyouko: Us is referring to me and everyone else who is scum reading D7.

who dey?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Kyouko:

Us is referring to me and everyone else who is scum reading D7.

EBWOP

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Kyouko: Us is referring to me and everyone else who is scum reading D7.

who dey?

rb and I believe Drone.

[Transcend]

Please

*puppy dog eyes*

[Titus]

Think about how hard the resistance is to the rb lynch is.

That's cause RB is town and the wagon is town. Scum are setting y'all up for the fall. I only have one minor concern, but I am pretty sure RB is town.

What happens ifno counter? RB gets lynched AND scum keep their hands clean.

[TTTT]

@Titus
why is rb town?
don't you think he'd play more responsibly than this as town?
like how does rb, a good player, play lurk-a-durk when he rolls BP?

[drealmerz7]

I asked her that a couple times I think...

she scum with him it is seeming