New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball - [Game Over]

[Shadow_step]

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is a holy fucking misrep. I was scum reading Cerb because he wanted to pair with the IC, how the hell can you say that I already scum read him? BS
also please explain how scum! Me gains any town points by poking Cerb?

Kagami answer this and stop misrepping me. I said he had a point. I didn't agree with the whole bloody thing.

[Kagami]

Which part did you agree with?

[Gamma Emerald]

Alright, I'm ok with vedith-town.

Oh my gosh I think I found UnfoundedRevenge

[Vedith]

Shadow step, you know first hand what kind of damage that attitude can have to town.
SAD has a very valid point. Conciseness is a virtue, and a bogged thread with pages and pages of useless posts is a massive demotivating factor to any budding townie looking for scum.
Scum don't need to read the thread, they already know everybody's alignment.

@jester
I'm not angry at you, you're angry at me.

Terrible post.
What others consider useless post is what I work with. Just because he doesn't want to read the game doesn't mean that everyone should limit their posting. Scum will hide in a lot of posting as much as hiding in a quiet town. The only difference with what SAD wants is that less information comes out of it.

[Kagami]

What's your experience with shadow, vedith?

[Shadow_step]

The setup spec bit. Cause I was thinking along the same lines.

[Nahdia]

I was reading the last summer waltz to see what scum did there and found this.

Subject: Summer Waltz - [Game Over]

I already have two scumreads.

Subject: Summer Waltz - [Game Over]

Map Wolf and cy.

Nahdia can you do this again please?(Nailed two scum in pre dance)

Ok are you ready for this? Are you guys ready? Wait for it, wait for it...

mhsmith0 & inspectorscout

[Gamma Emerald]

And what's your water tight case on me again Gamma?

Only thing in your iso is

is nobody else going to acknowledge the actual, honest-to-god scumslip from shadow

i haven't seen a slip that clean-cut in ages

I saw it
He doesn't make it past pre-dance, anyone who accepts his invitation is scum with him.

Which is equivalent to this fake over reaction.

OH MY GOSH PARAMA I JUST REMEMBERED THAT STRAT
ALSO THANKS TO RANMARU FOR TELLING ME ABOUT HOW IT WORKS
The deal is that Shadow just decided to go "oh yeah X is scummy!" after someone else made the same accusation. Ranmaru taught me that's a decent scumtell.

My main thing I'm sring Shadow for is the fact he jumped on Cerb saying "Cerb is scummy for what Jester said!" and then went "How will it feel to be eliminated in the intermission, Cerb" which contradicts his earlier statement on Cerb's alignment.

[pieguyn]

i want every1's reads on Parame and HS.

HS is town, I actually have a slight scum read on Parama and would like if people could reiterate why they think they're town.

[Gamma Emerald]

Maybe just lynching shadow is correct, regardless.

Parama is not wrong that it's very strange to say "Why are you doing something that will just get you NKed?" to someone you're scumreading.

The town-shadow explanation there is that he finds Cerb's behavior odd and was poking at oddities without really thinking through the implications of them, which weighs against the probability that scum-shadow was poking at him in an effort to appear townish and did so in a very clumsy way. I don't think it's quite the smoking gun Parama is making it out to be, but meh.

I still don't like jester's early play and I don't have any terribly fuzzy feeling about MDS either. I think scum-MDS would probably have held out for just a bit, but if there was already a pre-established pairing plan, that may have itself looked suspicious. Jester's "In fact I know you do, therefore my question should be: are you brave enough?" bit makes a show of saying "I'm totes going to be sorting you (because I am town)," which is counterproductive to any real attempt to establish a read. I'm treating 17 as a joke, but I find it strange that no one jumped on that. It's exactly the sort of low-hanging-fruit comment that usually attracts a scumread nibble. I'm also concerned that pretty much everyone had jester/mds as some level of scumread, but they didn't get any real attention at dance-start.

tl;dr: down for lynching either of those pairs, somewhat prefer jester. Ended up with much more text than I'd like.

Yeah, I can understand where a town might say something like that, but the inconsistency combined with the copycatting is what makes me think it's scum formed logic.

[Shadow_step]

And what's your water tight case on me again Gamma?

Only thing in your iso is

is nobody else going to acknowledge the actual, honest-to-god scumslip from shadow

i haven't seen a slip that clean-cut in ages

I saw it
He doesn't make it past pre-dance, anyone who accepts his invitation is scum with him.

Which is equivalent to this fake over reaction.

OH MY GOSH PARAMA I JUST REMEMBERED THAT STRAT
ALSO THANKS TO RANMARU FOR TELLING ME ABOUT HOW IT WORKS
The deal is that Shadow just decided to go "oh yeah X is scummy!" after someone else made the same accusation. Ranmaru taught me that's a decent scumtell.

My main thing I'm sring Shadow for is the fact he jumped on Cerb saying "Cerb is scummy for what Jester said!" and then went "How will it feel to be eliminated in the intermission, Cerb" which contradicts his earlier statement on Cerb's alignment.

????
I asked him why would he as town want to get eliminated.
I never said Cerb is scummy for what Jester said.

[Shadow_step]

Someone please give more solid reasons to Gamma to SR me. He's struggling.

[Vedith]

What's your experience with shadow, vedith?

A few games where we have been mixed aligns and same.
He's modded me a couple of times and he generally doesn't like me or my play style. He thinks I'm a shit player :<

[Gamma Emerald]

Scum don't need to read the thread, they already know everybody's alignment.

Now that I'm looking at this point from a town perspective, I think I can articulate better what is wrong with it.
Scum may know everyone's alignment, but they need to know what the popular opinion is and what not, so they still need to read. What you can do is see who says "I don't wanna read" and yet demonstrates an understanding of in-game events. This likely means they are getting told what is going on in daychat.
I know not all games have daychat, but specifically for this setup, I feel that point is relevant.

[Shadow_step]

Lol Vedith. I think Trans is better player than you
You know I always find scum when I'm town and you should sheep me always.

[Human Sequencer]

Shadow step, you know first hand what kind of damage that attitude can have to town.
SAD has a very valid point. Conciseness is a virtue, and a bogged thread with pages and pages of useless posts is a massive demotivating factor to any budding townie looking for scum.
Scum don't need to read the thread, they already know everybody's alignment.

@jester
I'm not angry at you, you're angry at me.

Terrible post.
What others consider useless post is what I work with. Just because he doesn't want to read the game doesn't mean that everyone should limit their posting. Scum will hide in a lot of posting as much as hiding in a quiet town. The only difference with what SAD wants is that less information comes out of it.

There's a balance between raving lunatics and a group of lurkers.
'More information' is great, people literally replacing out because we posted 40 pages in 24 hours is not.

@pieguyn
I see a lot of consistent scumhunting, consistent townhunting and a desire to stay alive through intermission as towny.
I find it incredibly unlikely scum would push the 'shadow scumslip' as hard and for as long as she did.

[Vedith]

Lol Vedith. I think Trans is better player than you
You know I always find scum when I'm town and you should sheep me always.

Given you have creditable reads as town, I thinkyou can be followed when proven, unless it's on Gamma I'm really not against there.
Also I am Trans look at my avi

[Kagami]

... Speaking of which...2 mafia gentlemen, one lady? Vice versa? Anyone have any thoughts on what's more likely?

Found the first scum. First, town have no bussiness pairing with IC cause that doesn't amount to them solving the game in any way. That overblown explanation in #98 looks like nervous scum. Second, that 'innocent' setup spec question looks like taken straight outta scumbook. ...

Jester has a point about Cerb.

And why do you wanna pair up with nahdia and get killed during intermission?

So what happened here is that you agreed with only the setup spec thing, but not strongly enough to call it a scumread, and then asked cerb about the IC thing.

Was your 212 prompted by Jester's statement about it?

[Gamma Emerald]

Lol Vedith. I think Trans is better player than you
You know I always find scum when I'm town and you should sheep me always.

Okay then, who's scum?

[pieguyn]

The town-shadow explanation there is that he finds Cerb's behavior odd and was poking at oddities without really thinking through the implications of them, which weighs against the probability that scum-shadow was poking at him in an effort to appear townish and did so in a very clumsy way. I don't think it's quite the smoking gun Parama is making it out to be, but meh.

OK I think I must be missing something because I still am not sure what exactly he missed in 212. I think 212 was intentionally worded in a way that assumed Cv666 was town, and the point was to say something along the lines of "if you're town this doesn't make sense". what am I missing here?

I also was gonna ask you about the Vedith scum read but it seems you've came around on it.

vote: The_Jester/MDS

[Human Sequencer]

Pieguyn, sell me on that wagon.
My scumread of jester is weakening and I have nothing on mds.

[Human Sequencer]

Also I think shadow is better because it gives town a whole bunch of info post-flip.

[Kagami]

Also I think shadow is better because it gives town a whole bunch of info post-flip.

I'm not sure it does, actually. Especially if he's town.

[pieguyn]

HS I see your posts and I'll respond when I'm back home, I'm out the door in a few mins.

[Vedith]

I'm not lynching Jester, he's town and Mini is nullish.