New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball - [Game Over]

[Dunnstral]

I mean if you're talking about mds jester specificslly then sure

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I meant why not ask about their pt? Do you think only you have stuff in yours

Because I wanted to talk and get a reaction from MDS without their lover defending them when the whole setup relies on people manipulating/tricking people in their respective PTs? So is everyone gonna be defended by their partner without the chance to speak for themselves? (*cough* Maria's Shadow is sooooooooooo nice to me in the PT *cough*).

[Gamma Emerald]

1) I felt it was imperative to correct that because HS seemed to rely on it a bit much
2) I'm p sure someone did that by then or some point in the game

1. I don't feel HS was relying on it "a bit much" at all? It felt like an off-handed comment by her.
2. ??? Who? And if so why don't you have a stronger scumread on them if it's one of your strong scumtells? Esp because you just pointed out to me you think Maria is town and Shadow is scum (so I'm gonna guess you have no more ~strong~ reads).

Pedit: Ugh this is what I mean they felt so detached from reality like they didn't look like you believed in them as much as them saying "hey guys look I have these ~tools~ that I am using to catch ~scum~".

Yeah I'll admit I came out with the second one too soon
I just threw it up when I felt like being a smartass
blech

[mhsmith0]

First post was me correcting a generalistic philosophy

Yeah but you said "I know not all games have daychat, but specifically for this setup,

I feel that point is relevant

."
What did you mean by relevant? Do you feel someone specifically is doing what you said? If so why not point it out directly?

First post was me correcting a generalistic philosophy

Second post was me suggesting a scumhunting tool I figured out from my own scumplay

Again, like, what is the point? Do you feel someone has tried to discredit the conftownie yet? If not, then why did you say it when you can hold off on that thought was observe more if someone ~actually~ does do that "scumtell".

It feels like both posts read "Hey guys look I'm looking for scum in such and such ways I'm trying to figure the game out", meanwhile if you actually meant those two posts you wouldn't have made them until you feel someone has demonstrated such behavior.[/quote]

One of my preferred scumhunting methods is watching people interact with confirmed town. Scum will try to discredit them any way they can.

Oh good, did someone already do that? Or are you just needlessly telling the wolves what not to do? If you're trying to play the "bad town" card, please stop.

"Man, smith hasn't done shit all game except setup talk"
"Yeah, screw that guy"

[mhsmith0]

@mhsmith thoughts on pie?

Null. Zero thread presence in PT (not that I'm much better), a stated suspicion on me that's I guess plausible but is pretty fakable too (especially with our pair under basically zero pressure right now). 806 is a bad plan and an easy way to blow the game if you guess wrong on the town-town pair, but I don't really get meaningful pings from her ISO so far one way or the other.

Anything in particular you think is notable on her end that I should be paying more attention to?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Does anyone have meta/history with pie? Does she play similar to Equinox? Because that's how I get the feeling from her posts and I feel like just reading her how I try to read Equinox because I have an extremely hard time distinguishing scum from town from that playstyle.

[pieguyn]

806 is a bad plan and an easy way to blow the game if you guess wrong on the town-town pair, but I don't really get meaningful pings from her ISO so far one way or the other.

identifying one town/town pair is significantly easier than attempting to identify three separate scum. I learned this the hard way last game.

besides that it obviously is not a completely rigid plan, it's just that we should be focusing on solidifying town reads this game rather than solidifying scum reads

[mhsmith0]

It's more the "doesn't really matter who we're lynching outside the town/town pair" bit. I don't really have a problem w prioritizing town-hunting vs scum-hunting as a solving mechanism.

[mhsmith0]

turboing, back in like an hour (or sooner if I die fast)

[Kagami]

Does anyone have meta/history with pie? Does she play similar to Equinox? Because that's how I get the feeling from her posts and I feel like just reading her how I try to read Equinox because I have an extremely hard time distinguishing scum from town from that playstyle.

Pie has a fairly straightforward 2013 style and is a competent scum player. I don't know equinox well enough to comment on similarities.

If I were to guess, I'd say town-pie.

[Kagami]

I think we should just flip a scummo and work from there.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think we should just flip a scummo and work from there.

As in a scumread or get a scumflip?

[Dunnstral]

I think we should just flip a scummo and work from there.

As in a scumread or get a scumflip?

As in a big ol' scummer

[Dunnstral]

Anything in particular you think is notable on her end that I should be paying more attention to?

Nope. Just wondering what you thought as I hadn't figured your pair out

[Cerberus v666]

I'm at page 61.

I'm currently at like 85% SS/MariaR is a town/town pairing.

MariaR is obvtown, someone already expressed why it doesn't make sense for her to attach herself to the sinking ship that was SS when she had other options/other people who had requests up that she could have taken. I will need to double check the timeframe and see if there's any possibility that she's partners with one of those people who had a floating offer at the end adn didn't want to take their offer, and didn't want to risk sickofit not asking her...but, if there were 3 or more available gentlemen at the time she took SS's offer, she's town, like 100%.

SS is a lot more complex. It comes down to the "case" against him feeling like shit(do you all seriously think scum!shadow blatantly contradicts himself? That's a dumb town mistake, not a scum one). I'll iso him after I'm done catching up though,and then I'm going ot iso pie who pinged me with her first few posts today, but I don't really know why.

[Cerberus v666]

I think I'm caught up now. Parama is still town, Gamma isn't a townlean anymore. I am totally lost on Shadow because I believe Maria and Jester about him, but I was so sure he was scum earlier that idk what to make of him now. I don't like some of the company on that wagon.

@Parama:

Sorry about being stupid earlier. I wasn't going to let Jester get away with it for long, I just really really wanted to play with him for a while. I actually think he's town now though. He made some really good posts in our PT and supported my decision to quit the dance if I thought it was the right thing to do.

@Dunn:

Have you heard back from Kagami yet?

You don't like some of the company on the wagon but you only had one actual scumread?

...

Please elaborate.

[MariaR]

@Dayne I've talked with her enough in our pt to judge her alignment. Take my word for it or don't. You're just making suboptimal lynch choice which is

sad

cause I townread you.

See the thing is, being "townie" or "town-looking" is just NOT good enough. The wincon isn't "go look townie" it's "find scum". So far:

MDS has no scumreads
You have no scumreads
Shadow has NO reads
Dunn has NO reads
Maria has NO reads
Vedith has 1 read
Parama has 1 read
Cerb has done nothing
mhsmith has done nothing (except discuss setup early on ~so~ helpful wow)
Gamma has ????????? reads
Kagami has ????????? reads

Me and inspector have discussed more reads than I feel has been discussed in 70 pages of this thread.

Imagine the deadline was only 8 days for all of Day 1 like the other games. Seriously imagine that.

What game are you reading? It isn't this one

[Shadow_step]

@Dayne I've talked with her enough in our pt to judge her alignment. Take my word for it or don't. You're just making suboptimal lynch choice which is

sad

cause I townread you.

See the thing is, being "townie" or "town-looking" is just NOT good enough. The wincon isn't "go look townie" it's "find scum". So far:

MDS has no scumreads
You have no scumreads
Shadow has NO reads
Dunn has NO reads
Maria has NO reads
Vedith has 1 read
Parama has 1 read
Cerb has done nothing
mhsmith has done nothing (except discuss setup early on ~so~ helpful wow)
Gamma has ????????? reads
Kagami has ????????? reads

Me and inspector have discussed more reads than I feel has been discussed in 70 pages of this thread.

Imagine the deadline was only 8 days for all of Day 1 like the other games. Seriously imagine that.

You should be Lynched for lying.

[Shadow_step]

Yo
Do we still need death if both Shadow and HS flip scum?

I have not thought about that at all. if you want me to comment on this, you'll need to walk me through what your argument here is.

ftr, I have HS as town.

First is the fact I SR Shadow because his method of play doesn't feel like he is town, especially his aversion to giving solid reads. I see some, but it's scattered and hard to analyze.
Then there's the fact Maria states Shadow has been really nice and apologetic in the PT. Scum don't need to do this with scumbuddies so I think Maria is town
Then there's HS's "if Maria flips town GE/Vedith should go". She only mentions Maria's alignment there, and it makes me think she's setting my pair up to take the fall after a Shadow + Maria flip
So if both Shadow and HS flip scum, there should be no doubt my pair is town based on how they set us up.

All your reasons to town read Maria are bullshit. Esp this one where aren'r even considering that both Maria and I are scum. So Maria can say whatever the heck she wants in the thread about what's happening in the PT.

If you town read Maria so much you'd be trying to convince your partner Vedith that she is town. Which you haven't done at all.

Gamma needs rope.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yo
Do we still need death if both Shadow and HS flip scum?

I have not thought about that at all. if you want me to comment on this, you'll need to walk me through what your argument here is.

ftr, I have HS as town.

First is the fact I SR Shadow because his method of play doesn't feel like he is town, especially his aversion to giving solid reads. I see some, but it's scattered and hard to analyze.
Then there's the fact Maria states Shadow has been really nice and apologetic in the PT. Scum don't need to do this with scumbuddies so I think Maria is town
Then there's HS's "if Maria flips town GE/Vedith should go". She only mentions Maria's alignment there, and it makes me think she's setting my pair up to take the fall after a Shadow + Maria flip
So if both Shadow and HS flip scum, there should be no doubt my pair is town based on how they set us up.

All your reasons to town read Maria are bullshit. Esp this one where aren'r even considering that both Maria and I are scum. So Maria can say whatever the heck she wants in the thread about what's happening in the PT.

If you town read Maria so much you'd be trying to convince your partner Vedith that she is town. Which you haven't done at all.

Gamma needs rope.

This guy can't read I said you can't be scum together because why the fuck would you buddy up to her like that if you were both scum?
And I still think you're scum Shadow, so as long as Vedith votes the way that gets you lynched I have no qualms with his actual reads.

[Cerberus v666]

Hey Shadow, and MariaR: You guys should stop defending yourselves and focus solely on scumhunting k?

[Gamma Emerald]

Like, people keep agonizing about "I want to lynch X but Y is their partner and they're so town!"
I don't give a flying fuck if it's a scumread and a nullread or a scumread and a townread, I'm here to lynch scum, sorry if casualties are necessary

[Cerberus v666]

Like, people keep agonizing about "I want to lynch X but Y is their partner and they're so town!"
I don't give a flying fuck if it's a scumread and a nullread or a scumread and a townread, I'm here to lynch scum, sorry if casualties are necessary

This game is unique in that mechanically, if we can identify a total of 3 town/town pairs, town wins 100% of the time. I feel like too many people in this game are focusing on standard scum hunting play rather than identifying and organizing a town bloc...which is always helpful,but which is ESPECIALLY relevant to this setup.

Also a thought I had, that I'm sure everybody is going to reject because people don't like to do things optimally when it doesn't fit in with their standard view of things...but it's probably best for us to not lynch anyone today, let it go to deadline, have scum make their kill with the minimum ability to sculpt their endgame(because they'll have minimum information to decide their kill(granted, this is less valuable than it could be, since too many people spent too much time defending me, so now they'll probably just kill Nahdia and I at the intermission)), and then carry on with lynching as normal.

[Dunnstral]

but it's probably best for us to not lynch anyone today, let it go to deadline,

If it goes to deadline maf win

[Dunnstral]

There aren't standard kills either

Once we're down to 12 people alive (2 lynches) maf get 1 kill

After that it enters second dance and no more nightkills