New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball - [Game Over]

[inspectorscout]

I had another scumgame, being http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=67961


About the arthur mds thing, shit's complicated
I want to believe arthur is town and i do, but mhsmith said something about mds saying something about my pair, i dont even remember what, but it did do something for me, like, tie them a bit tgether.
The bad part is thqt it was said by mhsmith who i kind of scumread and i had tied mds to gamma way earlier in game, but since gamma flipped town and gamma being scum was also part of my read on mds my head is one clusterfuck rn

I hope this makes any sense

[Dunnstral]

It doesn't

Who did you tie arthur too

[Dunnstral]

mhsmith who do you scumread?

[Dunnstral]

What pie says makes sense btw and I wouldn't mind that

UNVOTE:

[inspectorscout]

It doesn't

Who did you tie arthur too

Mds

[inspectorscout]

Because the MDS WK of you at that spot was itself pretty interesting and IMO worth commenting on. Do you disagree?

This is thr post im taklking about

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Jester-MiniDeathStar

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 1.9

The_Jester - MiniDeathStar [3] - Dunnstral, pieguyn, Nahdia
Human Sequencer - Parama [0] -
Ser Arthur Dayne - inspectorscout [1] - MariaR
Cerberus v666 - Nahdia [0] -
mhsmith0 - pieguyn [0] -
Dunnstral - Kagami [1] - MiniDeathStar
Shadow_step - MariaR [1] - Ser Arthur Dayne
No Lynch [2] - Kagami, mhsmith0

Not Voting [6]

- The_Jester, Human Sequencer, Parama, inspectorscout, Cerberus v666, Shadow_step

With 14 alive it takes 8 votes to lynch

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Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2016-12-15 17:00:00)

[Nahdia]

V/LA until 12/12. Finals week.

[pieguyn]

@MOD: I'm on The_Jester/MDS, not myself. ._.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Wait I missed a pie self vote somewhere?

That makes my point to mhsmith about pie-town even stronger.

Vote: MDS

I'm cool with this for now.

Pedit: LOL

[Shadow_step]

VOTE: kagami

[mhsmith0]

mhsmith who do you scumread?

Don't know tbh. Was hoping I'd get something interesting from scout-sad but they seem villagery, was hoping I'd get a good case on jester-mds but jester became less shitty as the game continued instead of more shitty (still need to pay more attention to mds tho).

With the weakest pair now off the board (not to be a jerk about it but it's true, doubly so because vedith suicided for no good reason at all), I feel like the lack of obvious answers suggests that the scum team is relatively good, which is interesting from a world-building perspective but less so in terms of a "here's the answer" sort of thing.

Unless it's just shadow and either town is derping or he's actively being saved, I guess. Which is obviously possible but I kinda want to dig around for a better case on him beyond "he's asking a bunch of stupid questions".

Ps I knew it had day talk because I'd skimmed the prior version. Also because the setup makes no sense without Day talk given that the hoods have day talk. Also I've been skimming a good amount which is not really ideal but there's a shit ton of posts, and I've pretty regularly been falling behind. Try to poke at things that interest me, but nothing's really stuck so far, and gamma case which I thought was decent was wrong.

[pieguyn]

I had another scumgame, being http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=67961


About the arthur mds thing, shit's complicated
I want to believe arthur is town and i do, but mhsmith said something about mds saying something about my pair, i dont even remember what, but it did do something for me, like, tie them a bit tgether.
The bad part is thqt it was said by mhsmith who i kind of scumread and i had tied mds to gamma way earlier in game, but since gamma flipped town and gamma being scum was also part of my read on mds my head is one clusterfuck rn

I hope this makes any sense

posts like this and subsequent posts are why I think inspectorscout's body of work also looks pretty town. this is a kind of crazy kind of tinfoil thought process, but it actually has *some* basis in reality and has enough depth that it shows he isn't just making up bullshit, he's actually stopping to think about it and consider possibilities for what is going on.

it's difficult to fake things like this without having it just come across as really forced, unless you're a very experienced scum player.

[Parama]

@everyone:

If Jester and I are both town, who do you think is the scum?

at the point of you posting this i would've said two of shadow/gamma/sad, and from the ladies, i guess, one of pieguy/kagami? i am having a lot harder of a time reading the ladies than the gentlemen atm. and i honestly don't think either of you/jester are likely scum atm either though it's not my towniest pair either

[Parama]

Also parama is town, don't ask me why though :^)

why am i town

[Parama]

as far as i can tell:

nothing of interest happened while i slept.

reading what i missed overnight more carefully:
yeah i was absolutely right there's not even anything worth commenting on there.
just a lot of redundant clutter.

[mhsmith0]

posts like this and subsequent posts are why I think inspectorscout's body of work also looks pretty town. this is a kind of crazy kind of tinfoil thought process, but it actually has *some* basis in reality and has enough depth that it shows he isn't just making up bullshit, he's actually stopping to think about it and consider possibilities for what is going on.

it's difficult to fake things like this without having it just come across as really forced, unless you're a very experienced scum player.

or coached i guess, but I feel like that's getting pretty far into tinfoil territory, since I don't think I've ever seen wolves actually use day chat to rehearse a specific post like that and make sure it sounds right

[Parama]

Bdcause then, if she's WRONG scum( amd town) can just sheep her without any accountability, that's why.

If she's SURE on something she should push it hard, sure, but if youre not SURE, then it helps scum hide.

god, you're treating everyone like stupid babies who can't think for themselves.

if scum blindly sheep, i'll notice, other people will notice, we have enough competent players in this game that it will absolutely get noticed if scum try and do this

and we also get the reads of living, mod-confirmed townie, which is always a net positive

@nahdia: please ignore cerberus and be as open with your reads and thoughts as possible

[Parama]

This is gonna sound super hypocritical, but Parama 2049 seriously like idk what you want when you only have 1 place you're pressuring, and even that you said "might actually be town".

tbh he made a small few posts that were decent and he didn't make sense with gamma-scum but since gamma-scum is gamma-town that second point is irrelevant. my scumread hasn't gone anywhere.

[Parama]

...goddammit i just realized they're all paired up too.
kill me before lylo tbh i don't want to have to sort this mess

[Parama]

^wow half my post disappeared there

thank god for the back button:
it's incredibly frustrating that i'm having trouble sorting 4 of the players alive in this game. @kagami, mhsmith, dunn, pieguy please do something townie or do something obvscum will be appreciated.

[Parama]

anyways yeah i haven't been given a compelling reason to change from this vote
VOTE: Shadow

[MiniDeathStar]

@Arthur:

You're severely misunderstanding (misinterpreting?) my stance on my pair's eviction. I've already said it's a foregone conclusion. I'd rather it happen sooner rather than in the endgame. Just please stop going for low-hanging fruit after we both flip town and go get the rather obvious scum that everybody is null or townreading for some mindboggling reason.

[MiniDeathStar]

VOTE: Jester-Pair

VOTE: Shadow Pair

VOTE: Gamma pair

VOTE: jester pair

VOTE: gamma

VOTE: No Lynch

That's a lot of hollow votes, and they all happen to be on the safest wagons of the day. The Shadow vote in 1622 is especially interesting because Dunn said Kagami was allegedly townreading that pair at the time.

The town-shadow explanation there is that he finds Cerb's behavior odd and was poking at oddities without really thinking through the implications of them, which weighs against the probability that scum-shadow was poking at him in an effort to appear townish and did so in a very clumsy way. I don't think it's quite the smoking gun Parama is making it out to be, but meh.

That was a pretty bad sheeping on the Shadow case and pinged me right away. Funny thing is she had been calling him scummy for a while at that point but not actually voting him.

I still don't like jester's early play and I don't have any terribly fuzzy feeling about MDS either. I think scum-MDS would probably have held out for just a bit, but if there was already a pre-established pairing plan, that may have itself looked suspicious. Jester's "In fact I know you do, therefore my question should be: are you brave enough?" bit makes a show of saying "I'm totes going to be sorting you (because I am town)," which is counterproductive to any real attempt to establish a read. I'm treating 17 as a joke, but I find it strange that no one jumped on that. It's exactly the sort of low-hanging-fruit comment that usually attracts a scumread nibble. I'm also concerned that pretty much everyone had jester/mds as some level of scumread, but they didn't get any real attention at dance-start.

I kind of wish I'd noticed this part earlier because that's literally the same sort of nitpicking that made me scumread Jester in the beginning and mhsmith in the middle of Yesterday. FYI: I admitted pre-dance that Jester can read me like an open book. The "brave enough" was obviously a joke playing on that. We were scum together recently and he noticed I was scum before even looking at his role PM. Like literally 2 pages into the game.


Regardless, Kagami's reads started looking suspiciously similar to Dunn's at that point and I voiced my concern, which Dunn agreed with. Then, this happened:

@Whoever mentioned read-cloning: my internalization is that dunn's reads followed mine, with mismatches as to who was scummy but general agreement on which pairs were likely to include scum.

"Whoever mentioned my read-cloning" was Dunn. Hi.
Does anyone seriously buy that explanation? Dunn scumreads my pair, so does she. Dunn scumreads Shadow, so does she. Dunn scumreads Gamma, so does she. Dunn thinks Vedith is town, she changes her mind and says he's town after having called him scum. No, Dunn's reads definitely didn't follow Kagami's, it was the opposite.

Before accusing Kagami in the village thread, I asked Jester in private something like (paraphrasing)...

Mini:

Is Dunn easy to fool? I think Kagami's either pocketing him or blindly sheeping his reads (because she *is* transparently agreeing with him)

And he said no, Dunn's a great player as either alignment, so I figured she'd be the one sheeping Dunn and I was right.

By the way Kagami, what happened to this?

I would be shocked if gamma and shadow are both town, I'm just unsure who should leave first, since one pair being scum somewhat implies the other town. Part of me wants to channel our charming mod, who would probably just want to lynch them all and let the mod sort them out.

HS, I think it's jester-gamma-?, though I don't disagree that shadow pair deserves death regardless of alignment.

Gamma's town. What does that make of Shadow? I thought your townread on that pair depended on Gamma being scum, but you said you'd vote them out "regardless of alignment". Why are you no-lynching right now?

I think we should just flip a scummo and work from there.

VOTE: No Lynch

Like, feel free to vote me off, but when you see I'm town, this is the lady you need to start looking at. And that includes you, Dunn.