New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball - [Game Over]

[Human Sequencer]

i'm just gonna compile my impromptu catch up i made in parma's and my pt

[Human Sequencer]

10 pages ugh
this thread is so full of ugh
ugh

fuck you gamma lmao

'*if* I'm to leave, I'd like if some people could talk to me about SAD/inspectorscout in particular, since I've noticed a lot of scum reads on both of them that I don't understand at all and if it was up to me I'd want that pair alive at endgame. I recall SAD's posts generally being solid (even if kinda abrasive) and I'm not even sure why people seem to find inspectorscout's posts scummy (going off memory here; if I'm wrong correct me).'
oh would you look at that puyguyn is right

i do not understand how PEOPLE ARE LETTING SHADOW LIVE
I JUST DON'T GET IT
I ALSO JUST DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE AREN'T TOWNREADING SAD THE3 OBVTOWN
allcaps isn't my style, sorry

'I'm fairly certain Mini's town, so unless somebody has a convincing reason to eliminate me, please don't waste everybody's time.'
JESTER IS SO FUCKING SCUMMY OH MY GOD
allcaps isn't my style, sorry

'20+ pages
I will skip them all.
Is shadow lynched yet.
I'm not putting an ounce of effort till that happens.'
HOLY SHIT ARTHUR STOP BEING SO RIGHT
allcaps isn't my style, sorry

'He achieved one thing which is get a flip before 100 pages, so congrats for doing something people clearly had almost no chance of doing seeing as it's a miracle if we ever get a lynch.'
AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRTHHHHHHHHHHUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRR MAAAAAIIIIIII HEEEEEEEEROOOOOOOOOOOO

'interactions like this are part of why I think SAD is town, ftr.
legit don't know why anyone has that as a scum read'
PIIIIIIEEEEEEEGUUYYYYYYYYN MY HEEEEEROOOOOOOOOOOO

[Human Sequencer]

needless to say
VOTE: shadow

i will only change to the jester wagon, and only if it's a hammer

[Human Sequencer]

OH FUCK THERE I GO BUDDYING AGAIN MIGHT AS WELL LYNCH ME TBH

[Cerberus v666]

@everyone:

If Jester and I are both town, who do you think is the scum?

at the point of you posting this i would've said two of shadow/gamma/sad, and from the ladies, i guess, one of pieguy/kagami? i am having a lot harder of a time reading the ladies than the gentlemen atm. and i honestly don't think either of you/jester are likely scum atm either though it's not my towniest pair either

Why are you specifically splitting up the scum pools between gentlemen and ladies, and why in such specific numbers?

Bdcause then, if she's WRONG scum( amd town) can just sheep her without any accountability, that's why.

If she's SURE on something she should push it hard, sure, but if youre not SURE, then it helps scum hide.

god, you're treating everyone like stupid babies who can't think for themselves.

if scum blindly sheep, i'll notice, other people will notice, we have enough competent players in this game that it will absolutely get noticed if scum try and do this

and we also get the reads of living, mod-confirmed townie, which is always a net positive

@nahdia: please ignore cerberus and be as open with your reads and thoughts as possible

That's because town is stupid. Town is always stupid. People are already bitching about ga me length and not reading closely, they're not going to put the time and effort in to notice.

[Shadow_step]

Cerb where will you be voting today?

[Cerberus v666]

I have an intense desire to vote HS/parama, but I don't understand it.

[Shadow_step]

I'm sure there is one scum in Kagami/Dunn

Kagami continues to not address my questions

[Shadow_step]

Then there is this

Spoiler:

VOTE: Jester-Pair

VOTE: Shadow Pair

VOTE: Gamma pair

VOTE: jester pair

VOTE: gamma

VOTE: No Lynch

That's a lot of hollow votes, and they all happen to be on the safest wagons of the day. The Shadow vote in 1622 is especially interesting because Dunn said Kagami was allegedly townreading that pair at the time.

The town-shadow explanation there is that he finds Cerb's behavior odd and was poking at oddities without really thinking through the implications of them, which weighs against the probability that scum-shadow was poking at him in an effort to appear townish and did so in a very clumsy way. I don't think it's quite the smoking gun Parama is making it out to be, but meh.

That was a pretty bad sheeping on the Shadow case and pinged me right away. Funny thing is she had been calling him scummy for a while at that point but not actually voting him.

I still don't like jester's early play and I don't have any terribly fuzzy feeling about MDS either. I think scum-MDS would probably have held out for just a bit, but if there was already a pre-established pairing plan, that may have itself looked suspicious. Jester's "In fact I know you do, therefore my question should be: are you brave enough?" bit makes a show of saying "I'm totes going to be sorting you (because I am town)," which is counterproductive to any real attempt to establish a read. I'm treating 17 as a joke, but I find it strange that no one jumped on that. It's exactly the sort of low-hanging-fruit comment that usually attracts a scumread nibble. I'm also concerned that pretty much everyone had jester/mds as some level of scumread, but they didn't get any real attention at dance-start.

I kind of wish I'd noticed this part earlier because that's literally the same sort of nitpicking that made me scumread Jester in the beginning and mhsmith in the middle of Yesterday. FYI: I admitted pre-dance that Jester can read me like an open book. The "brave enough" was obviously a joke playing on that. We were scum together recently and he noticed I was scum before even looking at his role PM. Like literally 2 pages into the game.


Regardless, Kagami's reads started looking suspiciously similar to Dunn's at that point and I voiced my concern, which Dunn agreed with. Then, this happened:

@Whoever mentioned read-cloning: my internalization is that dunn's reads followed mine, with mismatches as to who was scummy but general agreement on which pairs were likely to include scum.

"Whoever mentioned my read-cloning" was Dunn. Hi.
Does anyone seriously buy that explanation? Dunn scumreads my pair, so does she. Dunn scumreads Shadow, so does she. Dunn scumreads Gamma, so does she. Dunn thinks Vedith is town, she changes her mind and says he's town after having called him scum. No, Dunn's reads definitely didn't follow Kagami's, it was the opposite.

Before accusing Kagami in the village thread, I asked Jester in private something like (paraphrasing)...

Mini:

Is Dunn easy to fool? I think Kagami's either pocketing him or blindly sheeping his reads (because she *is* transparently agreeing with him)

And he said no, Dunn's a great player as either alignment, so I figured she'd be the one sheeping Dunn and I was right.

By the way Kagami, what happened to this?

I would be shocked if gamma and shadow are both town, I'm just unsure who should leave first, since one pair being scum somewhat implies the other town. Part of me wants to channel our charming mod, who would probably just want to lynch them all and let the mod sort them out.

HS, I think it's jester-gamma-?, though I don't disagree that shadow pair deserves death regardless of alignment.

Gamma's town. What does that make of Shadow? I thought your townread on that pair depended on Gamma being scum, but you said you'd vote them out "regardless of alignment". Why are you no-lynching right now?

I think we should just flip a scummo and work from there.

VOTE: No Lynch

Like, feel free to vote me off, but when you see I'm town, this is the lady you need to start looking at. And that includes you, Dunn.

[Cerberus v666]

Ya, MDS whole wall about kagami is quite reasonable. I noticed this blank vote dropping tendency when, immediately after Vedith suicided, kagami decided to vote for a no lynch.

That..that just seemed really weird.

[Kagami]

No cerberus, MDS has demonstrated that she's that she's willing to pick oit some quotes that appear bad on some superficial level, but has not really reviewed the thread.

Fact check the read cloning argument in particular.

If there was a time for a no lynch, it was then. If no lynch was a good choice pre-lynch, then you should see why.

[MariaR]

I'm convinced at least 2 of the votes on us are grudge lol

[MiniDeathStar]

Nice try Kagami, but I've been calling you scum since forever ago. You can't accuse me of nitpicking and pulling out "superficially scummy" quotes.

[Cerberus v666]

Touche kagami, regarding the no lynch thing. Value goes down over time though.

The way you've been voting and the content you've had with regards to those votes IS questionable though.

[Human Sequencer]

sure kagami might be somewhat scummy (i don't see it myself)
shadow on the other hand is objectively, ham-fistedly scummy

[Cerberus v666]

HS, what two other pairs contain scum? OR what 3 pairs are town/town?

[Human Sequencer]

HS/Parama T/T
Cerb/Nahdia T/T (I personally think cerb is kinda scummy but I'm still sheeping the townread aleph-0 credible players have given)
Arthur/Scout T/T

There is -no- way -both- mariar -and- shadow will flip town.

Kagami, Jester, Mhsmith and MDS are all good placed to look for scum. I'm warming up to mhsmith the more he posts. Kagami is still a townread, but he's an edge case for scum based on what Dunn has shared.

There is -no- way -both- Jester -and- Mini will flip town.

[Human Sequencer]

^I'm warming up to the idea of townMhsmith the more he posts*
Kagami is still a townlean*

[MiniDeathStar]

Sooo what if we *do* both flip town? Who's the scum then?

[MariaR]

VOTE: HS/para
there is no way your reads are THAT bad

[MiniDeathStar]

If Maria + Shadow are both town, I'm seriously considering HS as scum, too.

[Human Sequencer]

It would not surprise me at all if we hit two scum on mariar/shadow.
I cannot emphasize with town how annoyed I am that they dodged the rope yesterday, and ARE STILL DODGING THE ROPE TODAY.

[MariaR]

HS playing the "oh my god ugh" card for too long. This needs rope rn.

[MariaR]

1 of Ser/HS is scum trying to play up the "lol I hate this" card.
Prob only 1

[Human Sequencer]

I HAVE BEEN PLAYING THIS CARD CONSISTENTLY BECAUSE THERE IS STILL NO REASON FOR YOU TO BE ALIVE
DID NOBODY READ VEDITH'S TABLE OR HIS NICELY WRITTEN REASONING