New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball - [Game Over]

[mhsmith0]

Dunn, you literally used *my* reasons for going after Smith, but you still think I'm scum... with... him?

I can't even with people's reads this game.

Like, at this point I'm pretty sure everyone is scum and FakeGod is just trolling me in particular.

^probably a town post. Jester can still be a wolf tho.

[pieguyn]

well, mhsmith0 is scum.

hmm, what to do~

How come you aren't evaluating this "push" on you

I don't really care about him being paranoid of me; I think objectively I look town but I'm nowhere near my usual self which bleeds town all over the thread.

he's scum because he just feels really defensive and cagey (his posts leading up to my 2700, which that was in response to, being an example of this), and he's asking a lot of questions, but it feels like he's just passively floating along and continuing to comment on whatever is going on at the time, without any real follow-through or legwork that indicates he wants to drive the game.

[Dunnstral]

Dunn, you literally used *my* reasons for going after Smith

No I didn't.


But fair enough. I'll reevaluate you after this flip (I'll also reevaluate jester though and kagami thinks it's jester anyway)

[Dunnstral]

well, mhsmith0 is scum.

hmm, what to do~

How come you aren't evaluating this "push" on you

I don't really care about him being paranoid of me; I think objectively I look town but I'm nowhere near my usual self which bleeds town all over the thread.

he's scum because he just feels really defensive and cagey (his posts leading up to my 2700, which that was in response to, being an example of this), and he's asking a lot of questions, but it feels like he's just passively floating along and continuing to comment on whatever is going on at the time, without any real follow-through or legwork that indicates he wants to drive the game.

[mhsmith0]

well, mhsmith0 is scum.

hmm, what to do~

How come you aren't evaluating this "push" on you

I don't really care about him being paranoid of me; I think objectively I look town but I'm nowhere near my usual self which bleeds town all over the thread.

he's scum because he just feels really defensive and cagey (his posts leading up to my 2700, which that was in response to, being an example of this), and he's asking a lot of questions, but it feels like he's just passively floating along and continuing to comment on whatever is going on at the time, without any real follow-through or legwork that indicates he wants to drive the game.

Pie at least has the potential excuse of not particularly understanding my town meta. You have less of an excuse here, having literally just seen a game from me where I was low activity, not driving the game forward, and was town. You are literally the last person in the game who ought to be suspecting me for this.

[mhsmith0]

Ps evaluating the people pushing on me is a lot less work than actually re-reading. Now pretend that I'm never lazy as town.

[pieguyn]

mhsmith, can you link me the game you're referring to (in-thread)? if I missed it, link please.

[mhsmith0]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=68953
Subbed in for mds late day one. Was basically super lazy until I thought I saw a decent case against trans, and then it was that and pushback against the case against me until my mislynch.

[pieguyn]

I want to look through this game mhsmith is talking about (even though I don't know if I'll get anything from it. I am not particularly good with cold meta), but who here disagrees with just chain lynching Jester -> mhsmith0 -> S_S and going from there?

I'm pretty sure all three of these pairs are widely marked for death and aren't making it to endgame in any universe, but we continue to sit here trying to argue about a singular best lynch from all of them.

[pieguyn]

as I said I want Jester before my pair, but besides that I wouldn't mind it.

[mhsmith0]

Wouldn't mind lynching jester and having a couple days to read the thread without the volume of shit posts continuing to increase.
VOTE: jester

[MiniDeathStar]

I actually agree with this series of lynches, and so does Jester (at least he did, he's been away this weekend).

[MiniDeathStar]

I'm not helping you guys on our wagon though, the wagonomics would be way more valuable if I don't self-vote.

[mhsmith0]

Yep. If you're town (which I think is reasonably likely) you can also push for a counter-wagon and see which pushes on you look real and which like bullshit.

[pieguyn]

even the push on Jester.

my intuition is screaming at me that mhsmith knows he is going down and is mirroring my reads (SAD/inspectorscout in particular, which he accepted in our PT with a rather low amount of verification in a much different way to most of the people in this game who I have had to actively convince) in order to generate a bunch of WIFOM for when he flips. I'm aware this is a really shitty reason to scum read someone, but I just don't know if I can shake it.

[mhsmith0]

even the push on Jester.

my intuition is screaming at me that mhsmith knows he is going down and is mirroring my reads (SAD/inspectorscout in particular, which he accepted in our PT with a rather low amount of verification in a much different way to most of the people in this game who I have had to actively convince) in order to generate a bunch of WIFOM for when he flips. I'm aware this is a really shitty reason to scum read someone, but I just don't know if I can shake it.

Don't worry pie, I believe you can shake it

[Parama]

catching up from like page 104 or so

i don't like mds's meta argument against mhsmith.
i don't like kagami's meta argument against jester.

but kagami's argument is like, a hundred times weaker than mds's even still

"jester's voting pattern is different from <insert completely unrelated game> so he's scum"
is what it boils down to, or that's what i'm taking from it
like. wow.

[Parama]

if 2655 can be trusted then i'm liking jester a bit more. especially re: #117. that gives off some good townvibes

[Parama]

i wish mhsmith would stop making such long posts. i have trouble focusing enough to read them tbh. i'm probably missing why people are scumreading him because i can't be bothered to read huge paragraphs of text

@someone who's voting mhsmith

can you summarize the arguments made against him and point to specific posts because i'm not really seeing the arguments myself but admittedly i may just not be reading closely enough

i am really checked out of this game atm. nightless in a large game is, it turns out, really bloody awful and i'm exhausted lol

[Parama]

i solemly swear to try and read mhsmith's posts better from now on, but only try

drive a wagon on him if he's scum and give us as much info as possible

don't be vedith

This is both true and generically obvious (whispers: setup spec and explaining how to play to win con is bad and will get you scumread for

reasons

). But given her stated suspicion, town!pie should always be voting and casing and actively pushing for my lynch, as opposed to posturing around the idea of game throwing even harder than vedith did.

okay but seriously screw off i'm trying to prevent another suicide

it should be obvious yes

but obviously it's not obvious considering we've already had vedith go and do it

I think you should keep your weird bdsm stuff in your pt

I think you should keep your weird bdsm stuff in your pt

^

One of these is likely scum, joking around the situation instead of actually engaging with it. I'd guess jester over Maria fwiw. I'm skeptical they're both scum though.

this is legitimately just, a dumb argument. some people screw around more than others and it's not alignment-indicative. if you've been paying attention to maria AT ALL this game her post here shouldn't even stand out at all. that's just. her personality & posting style.
ironically i haven't really taken jester for the funny type so far but if cracking a joke is enough to get a scumread you probably need to evaluate the kind of tells you're using, if you truly believe them

[Parama]

dunn's making a meta argument against smith now too.

lol

[Parama]

okay 2711 is just genuinely hilarious

[Parama]

Remember when I said HS could be town?

Yeah uh no.

how bad do you have to be that thinking one person hard-defending someone they townread that other people & yourself scumread them suddenly the person defending them scum

hint:
scum-scum interactions almost never work that way
the hardest defenses of scum i've ever seen came from town. heck i've hard-defended scum before as town lol

and even then, you don't -know- mhsmith is scum either way, unless you're scum yourself

i honest to god am tempted to go make a long "HS is town" masterpost because the slot is screamingly town to me for reasons both in-thread and in the PT and I'll hard defend her slot to the end of the game if I have to

[Parama]

unsure:
{dunn,

Good chance of hs being scum

[Parama]

I actually agree with this, I think if HS is scum shadow-maria is town.

am i the only one seeing this????
he's setting up a scenario where our pair is his next target after shadow+maria flips

i'm somehow scum if shadow's scum
hs is somehow scum if the pair is town