New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball - [Game Over]

[mhsmith0]

mds/jester needs to die tomorrow hory shet this is horrible

Bad or wolfy? I'm not especislly getting "mds doesn't believe the things she's saying" pings here (jester can still be wolf tho), do you think she's faking it?

[MiniDeathStar]

@mhsmith:

Yes, that's exactly what I'm thinking you were gunning for. Town credit for FOSing pie, then "pie is town" after Maria/Shadow flip town.

Not impressed that you transferred to that wagon either. Did Jester suddenly stop looking that lynchable, or just not scumvenient enough to lynch us *now*?

[MiniDeathStar]

Like, seriously, everyone who thinks either Jester or I are scum should vote us now. Preferably with a short summary of their FOS/reasoning/etc. Then it's intermission time and you'll have plenty of opportunity to re-evaluate your reads.

[mhsmith0]

@mhsmith:

Yes, that's exactly what I'm thinking you were gunning for. Town credit for FOSing pie, then "pie is town" after Maria/Shadow flip town.

Not impressed that you transferred to that wagon either. Did Jester suddenly stop looking that lynchable, or just not scumvenient enough to lynch us *now*?

Given that I'm the consensus suspect in my pairing, the idea of extra clearing pie is pretty low value to wolf!me, since what would actually would matter is whether I could clear myself.

Other than "it seems villagery to suspect your partner", what actually makes you think I'm looking for town credit by suspecting her?

Wrt your wagon, jester hasn't been doing anything at all to appear less lynchable, so pretty clearly that's not the issue. Do you think the case as presented against shadow/Maria (mainly shadow) is bunk?

Like, seriously, everyone who thinks either Jester or I are scum should vote us now. Preferably with a short summary of their FOS/reasoning/etc. Then it's intermission time and you'll have plenty of opportunity to re-evaluate your reads.

Why? There are three wolves, what in partuclar is the rush to specifically evaluate your slot?

[MiniDeathStar]

Ummm. The rush? None at all. I just don't feel like continuing this any longer. I've totally lost any sort of motivation to defend myself *or* Jester, and I can't make people believe the wolves are where I'm saying they are until Jester is confirmed town.

That's the rush.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Just saying we only have 2 mislynches left.

Can't tell if this is a statement thrown out to try to get towncredit or something and you're hoping someone corrects you,

but,

we have 3 mislynches and that's assuming scum all paired up with a different partner.

Currently 14 -> lynch -> 12 -> scum NK -> 10 -> lynch -> 8 -> lynch -> 6.

At this point if all 3 lynches were mislynches we lose, because scum reach 50%.

Unless you mean like we have 2 mislynches and enter lylo.

[MiniDeathStar]

Yes, that's what I meant Arthur, which is why I'm not liking these chain wagon projects people are theorycrafting up.

Never mind that now.

Do you still think I'm scum? If so, vote me already.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

No I've said a million times I want a shadow pair flip so I can work from there.

If he flips scum I think much less likely you're scum as the competing wagon.

[MiniDeathStar]

Fine. VOTE: Maria/Shadow. I'm putting you guys out of this misery.

Maria is still my favourite person here though.

(besides Jester)

[Shadow_step]

Not flipping scum. Vote Kagami/Dunn

[Shadow_step]

No I've said a million times I want a shadow pair flip so I can work from there.

If he flips scum I think much less likely you're scum as the competing wagon.

What happens when I flip town?
Will you accept you are horrible at mafia if you are town?

[MiniDeathStar]

Shadow has a point btw, Kagami also vanished once the pressure on her loosened up.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Ohai Shadow welcome back. As you may have noticed, your lynch is quite back on the table. What great timing. Also seems to be you're quite all caught up (or have been keeping up...)

Please make a selection of the following options to proceed with your posting:

a) Call me a moron
b) Act aggressive towards random people (that happen to coincidentally be on your wagon)
c) Buddy up to Maria in your PT

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Shadow has a point btw, Kagami also vanished once the pressure on her loosened up.

There is so many things wrong with this post that I don't know where to begin.

1. He didn't mention anything about Kagami "also vanishing once the pressure on her loosened up". You literally just made that up on the spot.
2. Kagami was never near the pressure Shadow was, not has she went from hyper posting to 0 posting. Comparing both of them is extremely weird, their cases are nothing alike.
3. He has done almost no scumhunting or given reason for his Kagami scumread. Literally just quoted your case on her.
4. I already told inspector this when he said something about Shadow might just be an arrogant townie, and I said that if he was actually an arrogant townie then he wouldn't just get aggressive towards the people pushing him. He would have more scumreads, aggressively push more wagons/people for reactions, work with what's in the thread, etc. He's already show glimpses that he's extremely competent, yet has mostly just played the too scummy to be scum card and once he dodges his lynch he does nothing.

[Shadow_step]

I haven't read any of the last 6-7 pages and I've no idea what the VC is. I just checked this page briefly and saw MDS voting me which is a bad vote.

[Parama]

Not flipping scum. Vote Kagami/Dunn

No I've said a million times I want a shadow pair flip so I can work from there.

If he flips scum I think much less likely you're scum as the competing wagon.

What happens when I flip town?
Will you accept you are horrible at mafia if you are town?

haha okay screw off
VOTE: Shadow

you pop out of dormancy just to chastise other players for playing badly

when you're literally not playing???

these two posts contribute nothing to the game except to go "ohai i'm not scum you suck if you think i'm scum" which is just

a literal nothing

[MiniDeathStar]

1. He didn't mention anything about Kagami "also vanishing once the pressure on her loosened up". You literally just made that up on the spot.

He did draw my attention to her though. That's what I meant by "has a point". The other part was my thoughts, but it happens to be true.

2. Kagami was never near the pressure Shadow was, not has she went from hyper posting to 0 posting. Comparing both of them is extremely weird, their cases are nothing alike.

Um, no, I disagree. I might remember it wrong but I'm pretty sure Kagami did start hyperposting after a few people started suspecting her. Then I directed attention to Smith and she winked out of existence again.

3. He has done almost no scumhunting or given reason for his Kagami scumread. Literally just quoted your case on her.

I wish he were the only one who fit that profile.

4. I already told inspector this when he said something about Shadow might just be an arrogant townie, and I said that if he was actually an arrogant townie then he wouldn't just get aggressive towards the people pushing him. He would have more scumreads, aggressively push more wagons/people for reactions, work with what's in the thread, etc. He's already show glimpses that he's extremely competent, yet has mostly just played the too scummy to be scum card and once he dodges his lynch he does nothing.

Can't argue with that though.

[MiniDeathStar]

I haven't read any of the last 6-7 pages and I've no idea what the VC is. I just checked this page briefly and saw MDS voting me which is a bad vote.

I don't agree that it's a bad vote. Accept it Shadow, both our pairs have to go. Which one goes first only depends on people's choice. But we really need to go because literally everyone has some sort of scumread on us and it's blocking the game's progress.

[Parama]

i honestly don't scumread either of you rn

not like perfect strong town reads or anything but there are better lynches

[Shadow_step]

"Shadow has given no reasons for kagami being scum"

Spoiler:

Spoiler: Kagami

Alright, I'm ok with vedith-town.

VOTE: Jester-Pair

VOTE: Shadow Pair

jester, where's your gamma vote?

VOTE: Gamma pair

Absolutely zero read progression.

One moment she's okay with Vedith town, other moment she is voting Gamma.

And Kagami still hasn't answered my questions. I'm sure she asks me to quote them now. Because "I must have missed it"

HS, I think it's jester-gamma-?, though I don't disagree that shadow pair deserves death regardless of alignment.

Scum calling out for a PL.

Maybe just lynching shadow is correct, regardless.

Parama is not wrong that it's very strange to say "Why are you doing something that will just get you NKed?" to someone you're scumreading.

The town-shadow explanation there is that he finds Cerb's behavior odd and was poking at oddities without really thinking through the implications of them, which weighs against the probability that scum-shadow was poking at him in an effort to appear townish and did so in a very clumsy way. I don't think it's quite the smoking gun Parama is making it out to be, but meh.

I still don't like jester's early play and I don't have any terribly fuzzy feeling about MDS either. I think scum-MDS would probably have held out for just a bit, but if there was already a pre-established pairing plan, that may have itself looked suspicious. Jester's "In fact I know you do, therefore my question should be: are you brave enough?" bit makes a show of saying "I'm totes going to be sorting you (because I am town)," which is counterproductive to any real attempt to establish a read. I'm treating 17 as a joke, but I find it strange that no one jumped on that. It's exactly the sort of low-hanging-fruit comment that usually attracts a scumread nibble. I'm also concerned that pretty much everyone had jester/mds as some level of scumread, but they didn't get any real attention at dance-start.

tl;dr: down for lynching either of those pairs, somewhat prefer jester. Ended up with much more text than I'd like.

Before this post, Kagami gets called out for popping in between. Posting one liners and fucking off. Then this post comes at a convenient time.

I don't understand the MDS scum read.
She initially votes MDS-Jester. Then a lot of vote switching.
As scum its always good to get someone who is not getting scum read a lot lynched first and save the people being widely scum read for later lynches. It's just easier this way.
This feels a lot like that.

[mhsmith0]

Not flipping scum

. Vote Kagami/Dunn

Makes a post suggesting awareness of pressure level

I haven't read any of the last 6-7 pages and I've no idea what the VC is

. I just checked this page briefly and saw MDS voting me which is a bad vote.

Makes a post claiming lack of awareness of pressure level



Bonus points for wolfy pop in responding to mds vote
Double bonus points for not being able to (or not choosing to) explain why the vote is bad other than "it's wrong"

[mhsmith0]

i honestly don't scumread either of you rn

not like perfect strong town reads or anything but there are better lynches

Whis "either of you" here?

[Shadow_step]

Kagami still refuses to address my questions give me one reason to town read this.

[Shadow_step]

Not flipping scum

. Vote Kagami/Dunn

Makes a post suggesting awareness of pressure level

I haven't read any of the last 6-7 pages and I've no idea what the VC is

. I just checked this page briefly and saw MDS voting me which is a bad vote.

Makes a post claiming lack of awareness of pressure level



Bonus points for wolfy pop in responding to mds vote
Double bonus points for not being able to (or not choosing to) explain why the vote is bad other than "it's wrong"

Cause she townreads Maria and doesn't scum read me. That is bloody obvious. If you scum read me vote me stop throwing shade .

[mhsmith0]

I did.