New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball - [Game Over]

[mhsmith0]

Spoiler:

Not flipping scum. Vote Kagami/Dunn

No I've said a million times I want a shadow pair flip so I can work from there.

If he flips scum I think much less likely you're scum as the competing wagon.

What happens when I flip town?
Will you accept you are horrible at mafia if you are town?

I haven't read any of the last 6-7 pages and I've no idea what the VC is. I just checked this page briefly and saw MDS voting me which is a bad vote.

Game will quiet down when players start dying anyway.

SS, you literally just decided to defend yourself with 'Wifom' and now you've chosen to backpedal into something else.

That was a reply to "if scum don't kill her it would mean he is scum"

Stop being awful

Yeah I'm just gonna ignore usless fucks like HS.

Parama gave up too easily.
Just scum try to set up mislynches.

Can this OMGUS be any more transparent though?

Can this opportunism be any more transparent though?

Notice I was okay with Parama until she just completely gave up.

Shadow, the current proposal is that you're left out of the dance. Is there anyone you'd like to nominate as more-likely-scum-than-you, who we should consider instead? (And why)

Current proposal of 2/3 people? I don't give a crap.
I have something in mind which I discuss later.

Scum gamma flailing like crazy.

Kagami can you actually tell me what's scummy about me instead of just claiming I'm scummy. Thanks

Parama if you are town you really need to look at yourself. When the entire player list doesn't agree with you that it is a scum slip it probably isn't.

And I don't scum slip. Just FTR

parama i think you're town but that's really not necessarily a scumslip imo

just saying but what does me being town have anything to do with anything? this isn't about me this is about the scum who slipped. i have zero intention of shutting up about it until shadow's lynched

Go on then keep making the thread more toxic.

The point which I was talking about Cerb was his setup spec which Jester bought up.
Him asking what the setup was to other players was odd because it is a useless question. Setup spec is a nice way for scum to show like they are contributing when they're not.
Not the IC pairing thing.

Still doesn't change the fact you did the copycat thing.

Sorry I don't care what scum think.

MDS you are so deep in the tunnel that you don't realise you are scum reading me for exactly the same thing which you are doing. Telling Dunn to fuck off for scum reading you.

And what's your water tight case on me again Gamma?

Only thing in your iso is

is nobody else going to acknowledge the actual, honest-to-god scumslip from shadow

i haven't seen a slip that clean-cut in ages

I saw it
He doesn't make it past pre-dance, anyone who accepts his invitation is scum with him.

Which is equivalent to this fake over reaction.

OH MY GOSH PARAMA I JUST REMEMBERED THAT STRAT
ALSO THANKS TO RANMARU FOR TELLING ME ABOUT HOW IT WORKS
The deal is that Shadow just decided to go "oh yeah X is scummy!" after someone else made the same accusation. Ranmaru taught me that's a decent scumtell.

The only way maria is scum is if she's scum with shadow and behaved very suboptimally.

If shadow is town, there's no way maria chooses him over sicko. He's likely to get her lynched and she has to anger the town to pick him over sicko. If shadow is scum, she gains so, so, so much from bussing him there and loses so little.

This post makes no sense whatsoever. If you scum read me it shouldn't matter what Maria's alignment is at all.

1152

is a holy fucking misrep. I was scum reading Cerb because he wanted to pair with the IC, how the hell can you say that I already scum read him? BS
also please explain how scum! Me gains any town points by poking Cerb?

@HS first you are convinced I'm scum,

then you say clogging the thread up helps scum and

then you are trying to convince me that clogging the thread is a bad thing and I shouldn't do it cause it deters town.

If you think I'm scum why do you think I'd listen to you?
Should I take this as a slip that you know I'm town which is why you are asking me?

This is literally what Parama's case is.

SAD I've already said if you don't wanna read feel free to fuck off.
Transcend and I have caught scum just by that method. We ain't making shit up. If you don't like it, it's your problem.

1152

is a holy fucking misrep. I was scum reading Cerb because he wanted to pair with the IC, how the hell can you say that I already scum read him? BS
also please explain how scum! Me gains any town points by poking Cerb?

Kagami answer this and stop misrepping me. I said he had a point. I didn't agree with the whole bloody thing.

Etc

If anger is how you say you react to being wagoned/pressured for shitty reasons, I'm really nit seeing much at all of it. A couple posts that show hints of it, but overall nit seeing it.

[Shadow_step]

I'd be upset if I had a strong PR or something. I don't so these people are just dumb.

Case on me is "alleged scum slip" it isn't and I don't slip as scum anyway. "Arrogant" that's NAI for me. "Assholish" like seriously?
Then there is the conf bias

Oh my. For someone who cares so much about alleged misreps, you sure just misrepped like the whole suspicion on you.

As I previously said, if you're really "arrogant", then you would be "arrogantly" putting in more effort everywhere, aggressively pushing stuff instead of coasting hardcore. It's not that you're arrogant, it's that it looks like you're faking arrogance/assholishness/aggressiveness.

Also, it's not really "conf bias" as much as you can't override what you have done, and it doesn't change your alignment in the game. I've seen wayyyy too many people pull the too scummy to be scum card and coast off of that. Especially back before I took hiatus, I also used to pay/spec games on another forum where we played all/large majority of our games alted. Experienced players faked being noobs/naive/too scummy etc with ease and got written off for it. Which is exactly what I get the feeling you're doing here.

I haven't played the too scummy to be scum card. People scum read me for my arrogant behaviour in every other game you can check for yourself its NAI.
Love how you are selectively responding. You accuse me of not having a case against Kagami. When I prove you wrong you choose to ignore it.

Also pushing my scum reads aggressively. I've repeatedly tried to interact with Kagami but she refuses to respond and the entire fucking player list is letting her get away with that.

[mhsmith0]

Thoughts on Dunn?

[Cerberus v666]

Hello everyone. I am back, had a busy 48 hours this weekend. I'll try to get back into this properly since my slot should be dead soon.

[Shadow_step]

I don't care about Dunn. I don't town read him. Kagami is scum so he can die.

[inspectorscout]

I played with shadow when he was in a hydra with xkyfu
Agression was there, and yes i see where you guys are coming from, but like mhsmith is doing now is nitpicking. Are you really going to scumread someone more because they werent agressive enough?

[mhsmith0]

I played with shadow when he was in a hydra with xkyfu
Agression was there, and yes i see where you guys are coming from, but like mhsmith is doing now is nitpicking. Are you really going to scumread someone more because they werent agressive enough?

Actually what I'm doing is picking at what he claims his emotional reaction to this situation would be, compared with what he's actually been doing here. That's not a nit.

[inspectorscout]

But you quoted posts that alao have enothing

If calling people useless fucks sounds neutral to you, ylu should definitely fix your language standarts

[Cerberus v666]

I would be very appreciative if everyone would reiterate their answers to the question that I've asked people a couple times this week namely:

Who are the T/T pairs you've identified?

What pairs are most likely to contain scum?

I'm sure this is all obvious upon a reread of your ISO, but I would very much appreciate a simple expression of the answers to these questions to use as a jumping off point as I examine things. Thanks.

[The_Jester]

Nitpicking should be smith's second name

[MariaR]

VOTE: Smith

you should've waited to hammer us before we could buddle that awful vote

[mhsmith0]

But you quoted posts that alao have enothing

If calling people useless fucks sounds neutral to you, ylu should definitely fix your language standarts

I quoted posts that were there to highlight his emotional reaction, or lack thereof. That was the point.

(He earlier one was "literally this is all he's done in nearly 4 full calendar days", partially in response to his "but it was just the weekend" defense).

[mhsmith0]

Nitpicking should be smith's second name

VOTE: Smith

you should've waited to hammer us before we could buddle that awful vote

[inspectorscout]

Im not gonna bother fixing those typos, you understand me.

What im saying is that, whilere there are possibly good arguments against him, there is a lot of stuff that can easily be written of as bias.
He alao has been pushed all game long and nearly no counterwagon has come close (apart from gamma)

My scumreads have happily pushed this wagon as well which makes it worse for me
Long story short i dont believe in this, although they pribably need to flip sooner or later

[MariaR]

Nitpicking should be smith's second name

VOTE: Smith

you should've waited to hammer us before we could buddle that awful vote

I'm saying you should have hammered so we couldn't attack that vote you made because it was trash.

[mhsmith0]

I would be very appreciative if everyone would reiterate their answers to the question that I've asked people a couple times this week namely:

Who are the T/T pairs you've identified?

What pairs are most likely to contain scum?

I'm sure this is all obvious upon a reread of your ISO, but I would very much appreciate a simple expression of the answers to these questions to use as a jumping off point as I examine things. Thanks.

Sad/scout likely villa pair
Pie seems confident kagami is town, I'm tentatively deferring that read until I actually get a better sense of pie herself
I'm also deferring your read until tomorow since little point to sorting your slot since if you're town you have great odds of dying tonight
Buying shadow as possible wolf, really nit sure about Maria but that looked like a survival or OMGUS on me, nit sure which yet.

I feel like if pie is town HS has decent odds to be, not really sure about parama (if shadow scum that helps her a good amount I think).

[mhsmith0]

Im not gonna bother fixing those typos, you understand me.

What im saying is that, whilere there are possibly good arguments against him, there is a lot of stuff that can easily be written of as bias.
He alao has been pushed all game long and nearly no counterwagon has come close (apart from gamma)

My scumreads have happily pushed this wagon as well which makes it worse for me
Long story short i dont believe in this, although they pribably need to flip sooner or later

Cool, push a counter then.

[inspectorscout]

Who are the T/T pairs you've identified?

What pairs are most likely to contain scum?

T-T
Cerb-nahdia
Dunn-kagami
Ss-maria

Scum
HS
Mhsmith
Probably mds,very maybe arthur

[mhsmith0]

Who are the T/T pairs you've identified?

What pairs are most likely to contain scum?

T-T
Cerb-nahdia
Dunn-kagami
Ss-maria

Scum
HS
Mhsmith
Probably mds,very maybe arthur

Thoughts on shadows push on kagami since you say she's town?

[inspectorscout]

Cool, push a counter then.

Read my iso and make your choice

I offer you HS, you and mds

[inspectorscout]

Who are the T/T pairs you've identified?

What pairs are most likely to contain scum?

T-T
Cerb-nahdia
Dunn-kagami
Ss-maria

Scum
HS
Mhsmith
Probably mds,very maybe arthur

Thoughts on shadows push on kagami since you say she's town?

Hes wrong

Kagami isnt doing anything, true
Is it scummy? No. If she wanted she'd come here and answer questions.
Its often easier to sort people in PT's, where is actually is active.
Its easy to write off inactivity as scum lurking but often its NAI

Period.

[mhsmith0]

Cool, push a counter then.

Read my iso and make your choice

I offer you HS, you and mds

Don't think it's mds, though it might be jester (I also don't especially see the HS case - I suppose he could be trying pocket me, and his defense was maybe a bit overdone, but it also showed critical engament w what I was actually doing in a way that seemed solvey enough for me to give him a pass for now). I'm also comfortable on Maria-shadow rn.

Ps if someone wants to make a great case for why pie is a wolf I might listen, but I'm obviously not going to take "lol smith is scum" seriously.

[mhsmith0]

Hes wrong

Kagami isnt doing anything, true
Is it scummy? No. If she wanted she'd come here and answer questions.
Its often easier to sort people in PT's, where is actually is active.
Its easy to write off inactivity as scum lurking but often its NAI

Period.

So nothing about that push makes you think that he's pushing her for the same thing he's being pushed for, and that it might be hypocritical? No suspicion at all, just clearly wrong town?

[inspectorscout]

Hes wrong

Kagami isnt doing anything, true
Is it scummy? No. If she wanted she'd come here and answer questions.
Its often easier to sort people in PT's, where is actually is active.
Its easy to write off inactivity as scum lurking but often its NAI

Period.

So nothing about that push makes you think that he's pushing her for the same thing he's being pushed for, and that it might be hypocritical? No suspicion at all, just clearly wrong town?

Hypocrisy is scummy?
Is being pushed for a 'scumslip', (lack of) agression and reduced activity after vedith left the same as being pushed for refusing to answer auestions?

[inspectorscout]

Ps if someone wants to make a great case for why pie is a wolf I might listen, but I'm obviously not going to take "lol smith is scum" seriously

So everyone scumreading you is being ridiculous but pie (who everyone is townreading) would be a scumread you'd listen to?

Please.