New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball - [Game Over]

[mhsmith0]

There's something I'm wondering and I'm not sure if it's due to a playstyle difference or personality difference or alignment difference or what have you.

I've been a wagon since pretty much the beginning and at some point I thought fine, I'm never surviving to endgame, and that's probably a good thing because I'm a convenient lynch. Even though I'm townreading my lover, I've been OK with being voted because it would narrow the suspect pool.

Jester, Maria and Shadow have adopted pretty much same attitude as me. Which I think is totally understandable.

But Smith's wagon has been popular for almost as long, and so far he's been incredibly resistant to it, even though he's not townreading his lover. Where does this survivalism come from? Do you think it's scum-motivated? Or too invested in the game? Or some combination of ego (to not be mislynched as town) and pride (he believes he can solve the game for town)? I just don't understand where all that resilience comes from. On one hand I think it's super admirable and I know I'll never be as good a player as that. But on the other hand it does make me a bit uncomfortable because it just feels *unnatural* to me.

Every good player should fight his lynch regardless of alignment. I would actually say that I'm fighting my lynch here LESS hard than I would if flying solo, where the reason is that I'm not sure of my partner.

If you actually go through what I've done wrt the people on me, I've been making an effort to sort them and the validity/honesty of their pushes.

Shadow and to a lesser extent jester are my suspects other than those pushing me, and I think Dunn is the worst of those who are on me. Not really sure about Maria yet tbh.

[MiniDeathStar]

If you actually go through what I've done wrt the people on me, I've been making an effort to sort them and the validity/honesty of their pushes.

Smith has a point there. I have to concede that to him.

[MiniDeathStar]

But he's also a god tier player and I'm very reluctant to start townreading him just because he's doing stuff a villager would do.

[MiniDeathStar]

Fml this game is so hard. What did I get myself into.

I should so stick to newbie games.

[mhsmith0]

If you actually go through what I've done wrt the people on me, I've been making an effort to sort them and the validity/honesty of their pushes.

Smith has a point there. I have to concede that to him.

Now try and decide if that sorting process was genuine. If I'm town it was real, if I'm wolf it was fake.

But he's also a god tier player and I'm very reluctant to start townreading him just because he's doing stuff a villager would do.

You should, if you're curious, skim some of wolf games (click on wiki link). Haven't randed wolf on ms for quite a while, but I have a bunch on MU. If you're truly curious about sorting me, and have the energy for it, you might find it interesting.

Fml this game is so hard. What did I get myself into.

I should so stick to newbie games.

Nonsense, hard games are more interesting.

[MiniDeathStar]

*sigh*

UNVOTE: Smith

I think I'll invest some more effort into sorting you but I'm so tired now.

Team Hammerlust, please don't hate me for this.

[mhsmith0]

*sigh*

UNVOTE: Smith

I think I'll invest some more effort into sorting you but I'm so tired now.

Team Hammerlust, please don't hate me for this.

PHASE ONE COMPLETE

But seriously, feel free to meta me if you're curious. Bizarrely, I'd say I'm running quite a bit lazier than normal for either alignment, and I still haven't gotten around to that full re-read I keep telling myself I need to do. I really should but it's just kind of a slog.

[mhsmith0]

Ps http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/thr ... 37-loluber
Was my most recent wolf rand. Turbo game so not massively relevant, but one of my best wolf turbos so maybe something pings. Lissa and I swept, including the cop getting himself lynched d1 (mainly lolwillage but we both had a good game too). For quite a while I was a real garbage wolf (go look at micro 610 for my WOAT) but am actually improving. Won newbie 1714 here w rask, but frankly that was lolwillage with a side of cop hunting. Made 30 posts all game (subbed d2), was considered "top town". That one was a nice confidence boost, ditto a few turbos where I've done very well (hard bussed Kami at http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/thr ... e-Will-LOL and fooled a competent player in LYLO, where he lynched the guy who was peeked villa by the cop n2)

[pieguyn]

mhsmith0's posts on p118 are a perfect example of what I mean when I say that his play just feels like he's floating along and continuing to ask surface questions about whatever the current topic of discussion is. in particular, MDS pointed this out already, but 2942 and subsequent posts was... I don't even know what to say =_=

also, Jester has continued to do absolutely nothing that's even remotely town

[Shadow_step]

HS, Arthur, smith and Parama will never unvote Shadow.

Tbh I am at the point where I think I will hammer any L-1 wagon just because I need a freaking flip before 500 pages so I have something more to work with than these back and forth accusations and AtEing.

That said I will make this very clear:

I much, much, MUCH prefer a shadow lynch today, as a) I need a scumflip before night as I can work much better with the game that way (and shadow highest probability for me rn), b) at least people like mhsmith are actively contributing, you people left the dude I forgot his name day1 without a dance for "gonna be useless", like holy Shadow scummy AND being useless.

Again with the calling me useless for no reason. Ignoring my posts, selectively responding.

[inspectorscout]

I think most of the pushes on me have been silly

1) "baiting vedith to suicide" (flagrantly false)
2) low activity (even tho it's inside my town meta)
3) pushing Maria on her defensiveness (even though that was a perfectly valid meta question to ask, and again, emphasis there was ASK)
4) a vaguely defined difference from my town meta that I don't recall ever really being clearly laid out

I feel like those were the highlights? And yeah those are shitty cases.

You also presented myself as one of the "allowed" options for me to be scum-reading, which is of course ridiculous.


Wrt shadow, I think "scumslip" is a silly case, but I think asking stupid questions is wolfy (that was something he's done on and off this game), and the activity read was a fair point, and I'm not impressed w his reaction to pressure.

Is that different than kagami not answering his questions? Sure. But I don't see how it's a WEAKER case on him, all the more since you yourself don't seem to think the kagami case is valid.

But those are not the highlights because yes, those are bad reasons. I think you just asking questions and nitpicking on stuff that's not even related to scum (imo), like me asking for the IC's thoughts, which makes me scumread you.

If asking stupid questions is scummy, why don't you scumread me? I've asked stupid questions in your opinion, no?

If it's different from kagami, is it still hypocrisy?

[inspectorscout]

Nice to see the shadow-Maria counter-wagon settling.

You asked for one, no?

[MiniDeathStar]

@FakeGod:

I will be V/LA until Wednesday the 14th. Travelling so I probably won't be able to access mafiascum at all.

[Human Sequencer]

HS, Arthur, smith and Parama will never unvote Shadow.

I will hammer Jester/MDS. This is the third time I've said this.

People scumread Smith.
There is a wagon on Smith.
Am I being punk'd?

[Human Sequencer]

'Shadow_step - MariaR [4] - Human Sequencer, Ser Arthur Dayne, mhsmith0, Parama'
'The_Jester - MiniDeathStar [3] - pieguyn, Kagami, Nahdia'
OH WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT LITERALLY EVERYBODY I TOWNREAD IS ON A WAGON ON THE OBVSCUM AND LITERALLY EVERYBODY I DONT ISN'T (except scout because he's ~special~)
This game is so obvious it makes me want to smash my head into a desk as a cute loli.

I'd townblock with this entire list of players except pie/kagami (still unsure).

It's still 8 to lynch guys. We're heading into flash-wagon territory.

Jester is scummy AF. Shadow is scummy AF. Mariar is scummy. MDS is scummy. Why aren't we lynching these pairs.
'Am I being punk'd?'

[Human Sequencer]

I've seen Parama play before and I knew he was going to be good, but I was also pleasantly surprised by Human Sequencer's play.

HS, you have a clean town game and good reads.

Fakegod, you got everybody in on this didn't you? You're just fucking w/ me, playing with my emotions
Plucking my heartstrings like a fine harpsichord
:<

[Kagami]

To be fair, a big part of the reason I'm not voting smith atm is that he's paired with pie.

I'm thinking jester-scum likely implies smith-scum anyway, as I doubt jester-scum only puts town in his scum-list in his position.

[The_Jester]

Good thinking

[inspectorscout]

'Shadow_step - MariaR [4] - Human Sequencer, Ser Arthur Dayne, mhsmith0, Parama'
'The_Jester - MiniDeathStar [3] - pieguyn, Kagami, Nahdia'
OH WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT LITERALLY EVERYBODY I TOWNREAD IS ON A WAGON ON THE OBVSCUM AND LITERALLY EVERYBODY I DONT ISN'T (except scout because he's ~special~)
This game is so obvious it makes me want to smash my head into a desk as a cute loli.

I'd townblock with this entire list of players except pie/kagami (still unsure).

It's still 8 to lynch guys. We're heading into flash-wagon territory.

Jester is scummy AF. Shadow is scummy AF. Mariar is scummy. MDS is scummy. Why aren't we lynching these pairs.
'Am I being punk'd?'

Im not going on the shadow wagon. If it gets enough votes, ill join in on mds. I have my reads too. Okay i might be wrong, maybe not, we'll see, but at the moment it's antitown for me not to believe in what i'm doing (which i think is the righyt thing)

[mhsmith0]

Im not going on the shadow wagon. If it gets enough votes, ill join in on mds.

I have my reads too. Okay i might be wrong, maybe not, we'll see, but at the moment it's antitown for me not to believe in what i'm doing (which i think is the righyt thing)

I was going to say this was wolfy, but I don't think an actual wolf would post this. Probably a villager who's paying zero attention to how awful that post makes him look.

[mhsmith0]

If asking stupid questions is scummy, why don't you scumread me? I've asked stupid questions in your opinion, no?

There seems to be more actual effort on your end to scum-hunt, and from your engagement with my case, I get the sense you actually believe it.

[pieguyn]

I'm thinking jester-scum likely implies smith-scum anyway, as I doubt jester-scum only puts town in his scum-list in his position.

I had similar thoughts about this; I didn't like mhsmith's half-hearted defense of Jester at all, where he acknowledged Jester's early play sucked but claimed he was "improving" after like one or two questions that weren't town at all. I don't think it makes either more likely scum individually, but it would make me a lot more confident about getting mhsmith if jester flipped scum.

[Human Sequencer]

Smith's assessment of Scout makes too much sense for him to be wolf tbh
Unless he literally read my mind and put my thoughts in the thread for me to townread him that is

[mhsmith0]

Smith's assessment of Scout makes too much sense for him to be wolf tbh
Unless he literally read my mind and put my thoughts in the thread for me to townread him that is

Smith ELITE wolf

[Human Sequencer]

Oh, so that's what they meant by 'god tier mafia player' :^)