New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball - [Game Over]

[pieguyn]

you are scared that I will randomly suicide at some point and there's nothing you can do to stop it, so you hard push this "OMG SUICING SUCH GAMETHROW" really really really really hard because you think calling it suboptimal will make me apprehensive to doing it and the possibility that I'm wrong about it.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Holy moly pie is town af.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Like every time I read an mhsmith post and go "ehh this is not bad" pie then dismantles it in such a logical way there is no way scum would be taking such a self destructive play.

[pieguyn]

Like even then this entire angle is also bullshit.

I made 3328 (the post where I threatened to suicide again)

IN RESPONSE TO

all of your posts saying it was odd that I had my vote on Jester. Me wanting to "suicide" has absolutely, absolutely nothing to do with any of this, so no, it isn't a "strange" progression.

You tried to nitpick my choice of votes, despite the fact that you were clearly aware of why I have my vote on Jester. Answer that or abscond.

[pieguyn]

Like every time I read an mhsmith post and go "ehh this is not bad" pie then dismantles it in such a logical way there is no way scum would be taking such a self destructive play.

no shit I'm town.

if you lynch Jester with me, then mhsmith dies first thing D2, S_S dies from there and we can end this madness.

[mhsmith0]

Those three things together lead to some pretty strange conclusions, unless of course the suicide threat was just a stunt.

so you did think I was serious. good to know!

How the fuck should I know? You're the one who keeps bringing it up.

you are scared that I will randomly suicide at some point and there's nothing you can do to stop it, so you hard push this "OMG SUICING SUCH GAMETHROW" really really really really hard because you think calling it suboptimal will make me apprehensive to doing it and the possibility that I'm wrong about it.

No, because it's gamethrowing whether it's you or anyone else. And as always, if you hard push my lynch instead of suiciding, that's better for town in all worlds, regardless of my alignment (this is where I'm supposed to remind you I'm town I guess). Your not getting this is either fake (because you're scum) or dumb (because you're town). Pardon me if I struggle to know for sure which it is.

[mhsmith0]

Like even then this entire angle is also bullshit.

I made 3328 (the post where I threatened to suicide again)

IN RESPONSE TO

all of your posts saying it was odd that I had my vote on Jester. Me wanting to "suicide" has absolutely, absolutely nothing to do with any of this, so no, it isn't a "strange" progression.

You tried to nitpick my choice of votes, despite the fact that you were clearly aware of why I have my vote on Jester. Answer that or abscond.

And it's still bizarre as fuck that you're voting someone who isn't me if you're supoosedly that sure I'm scum, especially without any kind of rock solid case on jester (and so far there isn't one). So yes, your choice of votes remains bizarre and it's utterly fair for me to attack you on that front.

[mhsmith0]

Like every time I read an mhsmith post and go "ehh this is not bad" pie then dismantles it in such a logical way there is no way scum would be taking such a self destructive play.

Unless jester/mds is a town pair and she wants to blow them up first and leave town with the task of analyzing her for spew, which there really isn't much of so far (or do you think she's been doing enough to have effectively spewed people town or wolf if she flips). Which strikes me as at least a reasonable scum strategy, even if she assures me that isn't how she'd normally play it.

[pieguyn]

yeah you're not even reading my posts, you're just doubling down on this "your choice of votes is bizarre" angle because you know you're utterly fucked if you admit you were aware of why I want to lynch where I do

[mhsmith0]

Holy moly pie is town af.

Like every time I read an mhsmith post and go "ehh this is not bad" pie then dismantles it in such a logical way there is no way scum would be taking such a self destructive play.

Please clarify, because I haven't been impressed with her responses for the most part.

[mhsmith0]

yeah you're not even reading my posts, you're just doubling down on this "your choice of votes is bizarre" angle because you know you're utterly fucked if you admit you were aware of why I want to lynch where I do

Of course I'm aware of the logic you posted. I even quoted it. I just find it non convincing, especially since I don't see the obvscum on jester. Maybe you should recase him since that's in your mind the optimal lynch right now? Because it seems like you're more interested in justifying why you're on jester than you are in actually proving he's scum.

[mhsmith0]

Forget over the top effort, just show me where you've done ANY legitimate work on that dunn read of yours. "I read him town" doesn't count. If you're confident on that townread you should have backup for it. So far you don't, unless I've totally missed it.

literally everyone besides like you and Parama already believes Dunn is town. I don't give a shit about you, you're scum, and I don't think Parama's meandering paranoia will go anywhere.

what exactly is your point here again?

"People believe Dunn is town, therefore I don't feel like evaluating that take or substantiating why I feel that way". This is essentially what you're saying here. Maybe you should get around to explaining why he's town at some point? Or is my stated suspicion of him itself enough to clear him, regardless of my flip?

[pieguyn]

Of course I'm aware of the logic you posted. I even quoted it. I just find it non convincing, especially since I don't see the obvscum on jester. Maybe you should recase him since that's in your mind the optimal lynch right now? Because it seems like you're more interested in justifying why you're on jester than you are in actually proving he's scum.

I have literally already made the case on Jester to you in our PT. Holy fuck you cannot be this dense.

[pieguyn]

Like at this point I think you're just doing this hoping to take me out of the game, nightkill Nahdia's pair who also supports a Jester lynch, and then just hope that his pair reaches endgame. You are literally just blatantly lying here.

[mhsmith0]

You made a case, it was an ok case, not an obvscum case (and its been a while since you even discussed it there). So work harder if you truly believe in it. Going to dinner be back soon.

[pieguyn]

Like you literally have no answer for why you'd attempt to nitpick my choice of votes despite being aware of why I'm voting the way I am.

You literally are just blatantly dodging the question.

[pieguyn]

You just keep repeating "durr it's still a bizarre choice of votes!". You cannot be so dense that you see me approaching the game in a way different from what you think is standard (the idea of voting your strongest scum read) and just write it off as that it clearly has to be because I'm scum.

[pieguyn]

You made a case, it was an ok case, not an obvscum case (and its been a while since you even discussed it there). So work harder if you truly believe in it. Going to dinner be back soon.

Literally none of this is an answer for anything I've said.

Why would I need to recase someone whose play has not changed at all since I first cased him? He has continued to to literally fucking nothing and your defense of him is terrible.

[pieguyn]

Like holy fuck you are just flooding the game with nonsense in an effort to distract everyone from the Jester lynch.

[mhsmith0]

You made a case, it was an ok case, not an obvscum case (and its been a while since you even discussed it there). So work harder if you truly believe in it. Going to dinner be back soon.

Literally none of this is an answer for anything I've said.

Why would I need to recase someone whose play has not changed at all since I first cased him? He has continued to to literally fucking nothing and your defense of him is terrible.

The jester lynch has completely stalled out, so if you're serious about then clearly you need to be doing more work to actually make it happen, but instead you're putting more effort into bitching about me calling you out for your lack of effort there than you actually are putting effort into making that lynch happen since you're supposedly so serious about it.

[pieguyn]

Like you literally are just nitpicking over this.

In addition to what I said before - this is a really chaotic game that I largely can't keep up with - I am not so ridiculously invested in a Jester lynch to where I'd put significant effort into derailing a lynch on you to achieve it, especially given my mindset this game. If people want to lynch out of order, oh well. It'd take a very high amount of effort to convince people who are largely sold on you or S_S to lynch Jester, despite you being likely scum and S_S being a reasonable chance of hitting scum, and while I like a Jester lynch because it gives me some more time to think about things after the game has slowed down a bit and talk about my reads with Kagami, that isn't such a significant advantage to where I absolutely need it.

But that doesn't change the fact that I like a Jester lynch more than a lynch on you or S_S, am going to vote there, and will do what I can to get people to vote with me.

[pieguyn]

The jester lynch has completely stalled out, so if you're serious about then clearly you need to be doing more work to actually make it happen, but instead you're putting more effort into bitching about me calling you out for your lack of effort there than you actually are putting effort into making that lynch happen since you're supposedly so serious about it.

Yeah you're not town.

Like god you literally cannot be this fucking dismissive.

[mhsmith0]

Like you literally have no answer for why you'd attempt to nitpick my choice of votes despite being aware of why I'm voting the way I am.

You literally are just blatantly dodging the question.

And yet your theory is that I'm scum making some kind of bizarre as fuck play to defend jester, even though in that case my flip would almost certainly doom him. Which strikes me as a completely made up theory that's nonsensical in this game state.

[pieguyn]

If you're town, please kindly just shut the fuck up, calm down for a bit, and then come back and look at this later.

My mindset is 100% consistent and the only way I can see this push coming from you as town is if you're just completely tilted and not thinking rationally at all.

[pieguyn]

And yet your theory is that I'm scum making some kind of bizarre as fuck play to defend jester, even though in that case my flip would almost certainly doom him. Which strikes me as a completely made up theory that's nonsensical in this game state.

You *still not answering the question which I have repeated three fucking times now* is noted.