New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball - [Game Over]

[pieguyn]

And yet your theory is that I'm scum making some kind of bizarre as fuck play to defend jester, even though in that case my flip would almost certainly doom him. Which strikes me as a completely made up theory that's nonsensical in this game state.

Because, as you said: the Jester wagon has stalled out and if me and Nahdia are gone there will be no one left to push it through?

This is simple fucking shit.

[pieguyn]

Like MDS is over there hard defending Jester for some ~cosmic reason~. It isn't unreasonable at all to assume that you might have a good shot at reaching endgame with that, since she won't ever suicide or vote him, so it comes down to them just dodging the lynch until endgame.

[mhsmith0]

Like MDS is over there hard defending Jester for some ~cosmic reason~. It isn't unreasonable at all to assume that you might have a good shot at reaching endgame with that, since she won't ever suicide or vote him, so it comes down to them just dodging the lynch until endgame.

But that doesn't make any sense. No ones really listening to mds, and "let's lynch mds-jester, smith-pie, shadow-Maria in some order" doesn't seem likely at all to die out after another lynch or two in a different direction, barring a couple town flips where town starts to tinfoil about the collective game state read having been massively wrong).

Like, in a world where shadow/Maria is town, I'm scum and jester is scum, then even given a shadow/Maria mislynch, it's pretty likely that me and jester are next to fall (especially given the first red flip).

I could conceive of this being real on your end, but do you really see "pie trying to push a ML there before she busts out since no ones TRing smith" is some kind of impossible read here? Because I feel like that's entirely within the range of what scum!you might want to do given the game state. Regardless of your personal read that I'm full of shit, do you truly look at what's happening here and think "it's totally unreasonable for town!smith to think this is bs" here?

[pieguyn]

But that doesn't make any sense. No ones really listening to mds, and "let's lynch mds-jester, smith-pie, shadow-Maria in some order" doesn't seem likely at all to die out after another lynch or two in a different direction, barring a couple town flips where town starts to tinfoil about the collective game state read having been massively wrong).

Like, in a world where shadow/Maria is town, I'm scum and jester is scum, then even given a shadow/Maria mislynch, it's pretty likely that me and jester are next to fall (especially given the first red flip).

Holy fucking shit.

1. You cannot say that the Jester wagon has "stalled out" and then say this.

AND

2. If you think that Jester is pretty much going to happen regardless of what happens today, then you have ABSOLUTELY NO reason to take issue with me not being completely invested in securing the Jester lynch right at this point in the game, as long as it'll happen at some point or another.

You are blatantly contradicting yourself, and this is why I cannot see your thought processes coming from a town POV.

[pieguyn]

And point 2 is more so the case when I have expressed many many many times that this is not a game where I can easily keep up, take control of the game, and sway the momentum in a significant way. You think that I should put more effort into the game than I'm capable of reasonably doing, in order to lynch someone who is only slightly better than any of the other lynch candidates on the table, despite the fact that they're almost certainly going to get lynched at some point anyway?

[mhsmith0]

2. If you think that Jester is pretty much going to happen regardless of what happens today, then you have ABSOLUTELY NO reason to take issue with me not being completely invested in securing the Jester lynch right at this point in the game, as long as it'll happen at some point or another.

???

My issue is your vote is on jester while your push is on me and it's completely bizarre to me. Like, I get that (presuming you're town) ideal outcome is to lynch scum now and have the ability to kibbutz after. But I don't think the jester case is super strong ("he hasn't really done anything" seems to essentially be it - and nahdias read of his earlier post was IMO exactly wrong, as it seemed at least slightly town indicative), and I'm concerned that you're scum and are just trying to pick off an easy mislynch while it's still available.

Your point about the jester lynch having stalled and you not really being pushing it is actually kind of fair (since scum!you probably actually does work harder for the ML I guess), but I just really just struggle to see how this all makes sense from town!you. You say you want the jester lynch, but you seem satisfied to rest on the case you've made, and (to me this is notable) not really work to dissolve the Maria-shadow wagon (since that wagon dissolving seems realistically likely to end up on jester). And on the other hand, you also seem to (based on the posts made) have a much stronger case that you actually believe on me, and yet you're not voting me, and "personal preference for how the game goes" seems like a weak reason to be doing this, presuming you're as serious in your conviction as you seem to be representing.

And your occassional "maybe ill suicide" stunts really don't help me trust you either. I've called that gamethrowing garbage since vedith did it, before you were threatening to do so yourself, so the idea that it's just a response to your threats to me shows the same kind of disregard for what I've been doing as you claim I've been showing to you.

[pieguyn]

And yes, I absolutely could see everyone just forgetting about Jester after the me/Nahdia/Kagami bloc is no longer around to push it.

I've seen much, much worse happen in games.

[mhsmith0]

Ps I still really would like that Dunn as town read substabtiated, because to me he seems to be full of shit.

[pieguyn]

you literally have not read anything I've posted at all if you believe what you wrote in 3380 is correct. at all.

I understand you're scum and you need to obfuscate, but christ it's getting annoying.

[mhsmith0]

And yes, I absolutely could see everyone just forgetting about Jester after the me/Nahdia/Kagami bloc is no longer around to push it.

I've seen much, much worse happen in games.

Lol that point is certainly true.

[mhsmith0]

you literally have not read anything I've posted at all if you believe what you wrote in 3380 is correct. at all.

I understand you're scum and you need to obfuscate, but christ it's getting annoying

.

This is kind of my reaction too tbh. Maybe I do need to step away from it for a while.

[pieguyn]

the difference between me and you is I could probably write a response to 3380 consisting entirely of things I've already said in all of my other posts. you, on the other hand, ignore it because you need to look like you've found some point that you have strong conviction in believing, even though all it is is you nitpicking, and then act dismissive towards me when I point out why it's nitpicking.

[pieguyn]

if you're town?

please, for the love of god, just step back and actually read what you're saying and think about it. the way you're acting towards me is straight up pissing me off and I don't see why you would do this unless you're attempting to rile me up deliberately - it is obvious that this wouldn't help you sort me.

[mhsmith0]

That's basically what I'm gonna do. This isn't productive at this point, and at any rate I think it'd be useful for others to weigh in. Another couple pages of us yelling at each other doesn't really do much IMO.

[Parama]

this is honestly my reaction to this game as a whole

someone summarize what happened with mhsmith in the past 10 pages in 100 words or less

[Parama]

you guys are literally just arguing about the definition of gamethrowing omg

[Parama]

the only way you'd push this as town is if you literally just straight up missed my post where I explained why I don't want to lynch our pair right at this second.

can you point at this post, i'm actually trying to find it now and failing to do so

[pieguyn]

it is 2312.

[Nahdia]

this is honestly my reaction to this game as a whole

same

[Parama]

i mean maybe i'm the weird one but i don't see the outrage against mhsmith

arguing about the definition of gamethrowing is stupid and pointless but not alignment indicative
pie is expecting mhsmith to have the memory of a robot and remember an arbitrary post over a thousand posts ago (yes i saw it now ignore my last post)

once both of those fall apart it just looks like a witch hunt with no basis + that i actually do agree that pie strongly scumreading smith while voting elsewhere and only threatening to suicide (which, by her own reasoning, goes against the reason she doesn't want to lynch her own pair right away)

i see people making a big stink about a lot of nullish behavior
i don't particularly think pie is scum for it, it just looks like she's projecting her own expectations of townplay onto a completely different player and incorrectly recognizing the differences as scumtells instead of playstyle differences

dunn popping in to throw fuel on the fire is a little worrisome too
but i do agree that mhsmith's push on pieguy is one thing that actually does bother me
so ehh

[Parama]

there is no way scum would be taking such a self destructive play.

yeah i'll agree here too, pie's town, smith's nullish atm

[pieguyn]

pie is expecting mhsmith to have the memory of a robot and remember an arbitrary post over a thousand posts ago (yes i saw it now ignore my last post)

thing is when I pointed this post out to him, he didn't factor it into his read and readjust as if he forgot it. instead, he doubled down on it and started calling attention to my suicide threat, which I made at the same time as I pointed out the post (despite him attempting to spin me threatening suicide as a reason for why he's pushed me over my read progression...) in order to misdirect - and no, "I thought she was serious" is not an acceptable excuse, since I clarified that I wasn't, and he still kept calling attention to it even after I had clarified it.

that i actually do agree that pie strongly scumreading smith while voting elsewhere and only threatening to suicide (which, by her own reasoning, goes against the reason she doesn't want to lynch her own pair right away)

again, I wasn't ever going to suicide - but even outside of that, you don't always vote your strongest scum read. you might vote elsewhere for strategic reasons, or vote elsewhere to call attention to someone else, and in my case, I'm voting elsewhere because 1. mhsmith is never making it to endgame anyway, and 2. I like a Jester lynch for what it does to the gamestate, in terms of being able to discuss reads with certain people with the additional info gained.

mhsmith attempting to say there is something wrong with this boils down to the fact that I'm playing in a way that he doesn't accept, hence I'm scum. and he's not so dense and/or arrogant that he would think this is a valid argument.

[Dunnstral]

dunn popping in to throw fuel on the fire is a little worrisome too

?

I mean, they could be talking in pt lol

[Cerberus v666]

this is honestly my reaction to this game as a whole

same

...

*sigh*

I'm really fucking sorry everyone. Seriously. Life has fucked me over hard and this has not been something I could actually focus on. I haven't updated my thoughts since my read through back on like page 81, and though I've been keeping up I haven't ISO'd anyone or fucking done anything.

Scum, don't kill us so that way i can make up for sucking during the first half of this game and catch some of you. I mean look, both Nahdia and I are totally nonthreatening.

^^

[Human Sequencer]

>people still scumread smith
>smith scumreads pie

smith/pie looks townie af after that lmao
contrast this interaction to vedith-gamma

do not let that pair die today holy shit. we've already lost enough t/t pairs (one)

i have not idea how the idea that 'oh yeah smith is scum lol' has just become accepted by everybody when he's townposting so damn hard. i can't find much scum in his iso. idk what to say. y'all just retarded <3