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[JaeReed]

VC 2.13

Titus (2)

: drealmerz7, Lil Uzi Vert

gerryoat (2)

: ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq

Raskolnikov (1)

: Drone

Lil Uzi Vert (1)

: TTTT

Drone (1)

: Titus

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, Raskolnikov, shannon, gerryoat

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-22 01:30:00)

Spoiler:

[Drone]

Darn. You succeeded!

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Opportunistic pagetop, JaeReed is scum

[JaeReed]

Even worse, I edited in a video after the fact!

[Drone]

I've been looking for you.
Titus reminds me of Accountant. I'm starting to think she might not be scum.

[Drone]

@Kyouko

[ssbm_Kyouko]

idk who Accountant is. Also nice santa hat how recent is that? What makes you think she's not scum anymore? I get not wanting to lynch her in case she's JOAT but I don't understand why she started the wagon on TTTT to counter rb's wagon when there was one going on Gerry already. There are lots of little things about you, gerry, and Titus that aren't adding up to me.

Rask input would be dope though, I feel like it's a rarity to see her alive Day 2, so it's nice to have her replaced in if she's town

[Titus]

idk who Accountant is. Also nice santa hat how recent is that? What makes you think she's not scum anymore? I get not wanting to lynch her in case she's JOAT but I don't understand why she started the wagon on TTTT to counter rb's wagon when there was one going on Gerry already. There are lots of little things about you, gerry, and Titus that aren't adding up to me.

Rask input would be dope though, I feel like it's a rarity to see her alive Day 2, so it's nice to have her replaced in if she's town

Gerry's my townread, so why would I wagon him?

[Drone]

If you have the time, read Newbie Stop and Go. Day 1.
On the phone so it's a bit complex for me to link it directly..

[Drone]

@Kyouko

[Titus]

If you have the time, read Newbie Stop and Go. Day 1.
On the phone so it's a bit complex for me to link it directly..

Not tonight. Maybe tomorrow.

[Drone]

Was for Kyouko..

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'm reading it a little but I'm pretty danked out rn so I'm just passing the time. You're saying Titus reminds you of Accountant so you think Titus is town, right? Trying to spot similarities

[Drone]

Yes, but it's Accountant's behaviour as town, and the similarity to what's Titus doing that causes me to think.

[gerryoat]

I get not wanting to lynch her in case she's JOAT but I don't understand why she started the wagon on TTTT to counter rb's wagon when there was one going on Gerry already. There are lots of little things about you, gerry, and Titus that aren't adding up to me.

How about you instead, you ask yourself why I was asking her to stop the wagon on TTTT (who was voting me at the time), and instead vote rb (the mafia) maybe then you'll realize your vote on me is bad

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I get not wanting to lynch her in case she's JOAT but I don't understand why she started the wagon on TTTT to counter rb's wagon when there was one going on Gerry already. There are lots of little things about you, gerry, and Titus that aren't adding up to me.

How about you instead, you ask yourself why I was asking her to stop the wagon on TTTT (who was voting me at the time), and instead vote rb (the mafia) maybe then you'll realize your vote on me is bad

I'm entertaining the possibility that you and either Titus or Drone are scum, so asking myself that question doesn't give me an answer that leads me to think my vote on you is bad

[shannon]

So should we lynch outside of Titus/LUV and have them both report actions and results tomorrow?
Would that work?

What if we get them to both report on the same person?

Titus tells her neighbour the result.
Then LUV posts his result.
The neighbour can confirm its correctness/plausibility
Titus can tell us whether or not the neighbour lied

This fails if both Titus and LUV are scum, but if they are both town or one is town we should get something useful?

[Drone]

That should do the trick.

[shannon]

That should do the trick.

Is that sarcasm? I'm assuming I've made some oversight here

[shannon]

VOTE: Gerry

[Raskolnikov]

VOTE: shannon

From what I've read I actually think shannon is the way to go.

Looking back I find her d1 stance very strange where she scumreads transcend and takes issue with the rb wagon but doesn't do much beyond throw shade until pressured into it. She gave weird caveats for not following through on her transcend scumread which she at the end was because she picked up the JK crumbs, but I feel as town you a) either move on to someone else then or b) push them anyways (i.e. if you scumread enough them it doesn't matter) if they're your only scumread; I don't understand the weird sort of limbo in which you have one that you have a reason not to touch and don't do anything else. On top of that I don't feel as though she's actually scumhunted this game (read votes on impo, transcend, especially titus) and (tonal, I know) I get an overly self-conscious feeling from her posts.

Going to go into the specifics and start pulling up the quotes.

[Drone]

I could totally follow a strong case by Raskolnikov Productions.

I'll ISO her myself as well.

[Sesq]

that was all @sesq, I missed some posts since then. Sorry, I keep forgetting to preview.

I was thinking that my point of titus's meta wasnt very good after posting it, but idk. I don't really see scum there, just weird town. but rask is lurking, and her former slot was also a lurker/barely did anything. gerry is obv

Which one's weird town?

And I just don't understand why lurking is inherently scummy. In my experience -- which is admittedly minimal -- town is just as likely to lurk as scum. Like, in an ideal world, maaaybe that wouldn't be true, but

I don't think it's really that much more optimal for scum than town and I don't think that's what generally goes through your mind as scum (at least not if you're anything like me; I understand some people take a more strategic approach). I think scum are generally more involved than VTs? And have a more urgent motivation to not get lynched by PoE/lurk. It might be antitown for people to lurk overall, hence the ideal world comment, but yeah. I don't see how it's inherent that lurking=scummy, and I feel like that's a really easy way to write off an FoS and not put pressure on yourself for it.

I was referring to titus being weird town.

I really don't trust role stuff as
a) really, anything can happen
b) it's based off people's unbacked claims

gerry, your defense is terrible. Actually defend yourself with logic or i'm voting you

rofl you're garbage dude. do you need mentoring? I will mentor you in finding mafia, if need be.

The only reason you say this is because you didn't provide defense. admit your faults or expect to be frowned upon

[Sesq]

Leave Sesq alone!

Stop.

[Drone]

That should do the trick.

Is that sarcasm? I'm assuming I've made some oversight here

No. But you gave me ideas;

A) You're setting up a WIFOM.
(if scum) you know both are actually town, nk one of them and blame the other.
It's beautiful, it's fresh, definitely something town might fall for.
Even includes bonus town points for you, for "scumhunting".
Special sale for the holidays; You get to ml someone else today.

B)
One of them is scum, you know it (if scum).
Pros:
Your "method" works, town satisfied with you.

Cons; You bus one of your allies.

C)
You're town and haven't thought of the option that both are town, and one of them can be nked, likely resulting in the other one being mled. Boo!