Mini Normal 1857 (Game Over - Mafia Wins!)

[drealmerz7]

town LUV doesn't make that claim I think his town game is better than that and he'd know better

I think it's an inexperienced scummove

question for me is if he called the result on a buddy or a townie

I've flipflopped so much I don't remember what my first inclination was

but that I'm a SR for anyone makes me ok to lynch them, so whatevers

I'm good for shannon or LUV

[drealmerz7]

also town UB JOAT neighbor + town tracker is not an option to exist here

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Talk a bit more about who would be scum if LUV flips town or scum @Rask/d7, I expect one of us will die tonight if Titus is scum. In that situation (town!LUV/scum!Titus) I think Gerry is the partner given Titus's D1 play around the rb and gerry wagons

[ssbm_Kyouko]

also town UB JOAT neighbor + town tracker is not an option to exist here

Why not? That'd be UB Neighbor, JOAT (GS, BP, JK), 2-shot Follower, Neighbor/Vig Neighbor, and possibly Vig

Okay typing it out I think you're right

[drealmerz7]

yeahhhhhh

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Assuming LUV and Titus are both town, scum will probably NK Titus to prevent Gunsmith from catching them. If LUV is scum I think it's pretty easy to finish the game off since we'll have 2 of the 3 scumteam to look for associations between those 2 and the last one. If the last 2 are LUV/Shannon I'd be shocked by the accuracy of the associative reads I picked up D1. Assuming LUV and Titus are both town and the other scum are somewhere in the null zone (Sesq, Impoetic, Rask(your slot makes it hard to tr you)), scum may choose to let Titus live for WIFOM mislynch with confidence knowing she won't Gunsmith check any of them.

Coming out now to say that I'm not the vigilante.
@Vigilante: If you did not shoot Transcend last night and LUV flips Follower, don't shoot shannon. Best shot in this scenario is probably Drone or Titus, but only if the follower claim is proven legit. I'd say shoot Drone if you're comfortable with that, unless of course I'm addressing Drone right now, then just kill Titus.
If you did shoot Transcend last night and LUV flips Follower it's possible shannon ninja-killed so she could be shot in this case
If LUV flips scum just shoot shannon to prevent the WIFOM of whether he was claiming his buddy was innocent or trying to set up a mislynch in the event of his death, that way we can either wake up the victors or wake up without WIFOM clouding the lynch

Okay I think I've said everything I need to say now probably
VOTE: LUV

Go ahead Drone

[Raskolnikov]

Rask reads please other than shannon

...have you read all of my posts?

[drealmerz7]

hammer on this is going to be like the weak little old man in the oil hull in Waterworld when the flare hits the oil :

you know what I mean? that:

"oh thank god"

[Raskolnikov]

Talk a bit more about who would be scum if LUV flips town or scum @Rask/d7, I expect one of us will die tonight if Titus is scum. In that situation (town!LUV/scum!Titus) I think Gerry is the partner given Titus's D1 play around the rb and gerry wagons

Shannon or drone, I literally just said this.

[Raskolnikov]

I feel like what I'm saying is getting ignored.

[drealmerz7]

I wish rask would post something they never post

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I read what you posted that's why I unvoted for a bit, but as I was writing my post I realized it didn't matter much if we theorized about who would be the 3rd scum if there's a scumflip. Your post only covered the townflip scenario.

[Raskolnikov]

If Luv is scum that means I'm probably wrong on shannon which I don't really want to think about tbh.

If that's the case it could still be drone though I'd also have to reconsider some of my reads. I still haven't looked super in-depth at every player yet but if I'm alive tomorrow I will.

[Raskolnikov]

Was going to wait until he answered my questions to voice this but I don't know what's going on with sesq either.
I don't understand his problem with my wagon and that read in general beyond the activity point and he hasn't responded so far. I can't say much of a read based on ironstove though I can understand a newer player's issue with his play.
I also think trying to push me after I come in with my massive case is kind of bold and calls a lot of attention to himself while also probably not going anywhere.

In general I find I'm rarely directly pushed by scum if there are still easier targets, rather they either hop on using a "paranoia" excuse or go the other way and try to buddy.

[Raskolnikov]

Was going to wait until he answered my questions to voice this but I don't know what's going on with sesq either.
I don't understand his problem with my wagon and that read in general beyond the activity point and he hasn't responded so far. I can't say much of a read based on ironstove though I can understand a newer player's issue with his play.
I also think trying to push me after I come in with my massive case is kind of bold and calls a lot of attention to himself while also probably not going anywhere.

In general I find I'm rarely directly pushed by scum if there are still easier targets, rather they either hop on using a "paranoia" excuse or go the other way and try to buddy.

[Raskolnikov]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=68482

Shannon luv and titus all 3 in this game and no one bothers looking it when I link it. These 3 have LITERALLY been the entire focus of d2.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=68482

Shannon luv and titus all 3 in this game and no one bothers looking it when I link it. These 3 have LITERALLY been the entire focus of d2.

Not saying I've looked at it because I haven't, but how can you tell we haven't looked? I have other games to play

[Raskolnikov]

My bad, only you and d7 were even here since then. I thought I linked it before for some reason.

[Impoetic]

@TTTT
Lean town on imp. Kind of townslipped actually if you read my post on shannon where I talk about that wagon. I've probably already had more impact on the game than she's had throughout her existence but that isn't even a bad thing for someone who said they preferred to play as scum I think? Without much action there's only really tone, which although self-absorbed doesn't look overtly malicious... she should be pressured for more tomorrow but it's a bit late to start that today.

Sesq I'm reserving judgement on until I can question her push onto me.

For the record I prefer to play as town normally, because I want to improve. I'm just finding it really impossible to read in forum mafia games like these, and the pressure of not being caught up builds and makes me even more likely to be my usual procrastinating self. I'm sorry

[Impoetic]

I guess I'd lynch shannon today, but again, are we not doing something bad by lynching an inno this early when we have the advantage over scum?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Catch up m9-1, LUV is the one at L-1

[Impoetic]

Assuming LUV and Titus are both town, scum will probably NK Titus to prevent Gunsmith from catching them. If LUV is scum I think it's pretty easy to finish the game off since we'll have 2 of the 3 scumteam to look for associations between those 2 and the last one. If the last 2 are LUV/Shannon I'd be shocked by the accuracy of the associative reads I picked up D1. Assuming LUV and Titus are both town and the other scum are somewhere in the null zone (Sesq, Impoetic, Rask(your slot makes it hard to tr you)), scum may choose to let Titus live for WIFOM mislynch with confidence knowing she won't Gunsmith check any of them.

Coming out now to say that I'm not the vigilante.
@Vigilante: If you did not shoot Transcend last night and LUV flips Follower, don't shoot shannon. Best shot in this scenario is probably Drone or Titus, but only if the follower claim is proven legit. I'd say shoot Drone if you're comfortable with that, unless of course I'm addressing Drone right now, then just kill Titus.
If you did shoot Transcend last night and LUV flips Follower it's possible shannon ninja-killed so she could be shot in this case
If LUV flips scum just shoot shannon to prevent the WIFOM of whether he was claiming his buddy was innocent or trying to set up a mislynch in the event of his death, that way we can either wake up the victors or wake up without WIFOM clouding the lynch

Okay I think I've said everything I need to say now probably
VOTE: LUV

Go ahead Drone

Sorry, but can you run me through why you're assuming both titus and luv are town? I'm not so confident from the little I've read. Or is it solely a hypothetical?

[Impoetic]

Oh, also, "shoot shannon to prevent wifom"?

That seems like falling for wifom. Like, "giving a thief his money so he can't steal it"-type thing. Why not just

not take that report into account

if you don't want to have to worry about it?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

2080 are hypotheticals because I may be dead in the morning so I want to get my reads out based on what the possible flips are.
Shooting shannon if LUV flips scum is fine. If LUV flips scum he lied about shannon for 1 of 2 reasons:
1. To take suspicion away from his partner in a risky gambit, because if he ends up lynched it will make her look suspicious
2. To attempt to secure a mislynch in the event he is lynched.

Shooting shannon lets us get her killed during the night, which means we don't waste a mislynch on her and give scum another NK. If LUV flips scum we'd probably lynch shannon tomorrow anyways because of the chance that scum!LUV was trying to protect his partner with a fake claim.

If LUV is scum and shannon is town:
-If we vig her tonight: We wake up tomorrow 7 town vs 1 scum
-If we mislynch her tomorrow: We wake up 2 days from now 6 town vs 1 scum

I don't see a world where we don't lynch shannon if LUV flips scum. The associations are too thick there.

If LUV is scum and shannon is too we just win in the morning, but this isn't why we're shooting her

if LUV flips scum

, we should do that because 7 town vs. 1 scum or a town win is a better outcome than 6 town vs 1 scum.

[Sesq]

Rask reads please other than shannon

For god's sake can you start reading!?

fucking hell did you even read thread look at 1970
usually I wouldn't be mad but you're pretending like it's a victory when in reality you skipped my longest post

those reads have not changed as of now

Drone is asking you to read the thread, not post reads
@Rask - In the case of a town!LUV flip we have PR options to hit shannon/drone with though.

UNVOTE:
Might be back to LUV in a bit

This makes much more sense. I apologize for being rude.