New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball - [Game Over]

[inspectorscout]

Parama, let's make a deal; today mhsmuth/pie, tomorrow me/arthur

[Human Sequencer]

jester is playing 100% lurkscum, though

[Human Sequencer]

Parama, let's make a deal; today mhsmuth/pie, tomorrow me/arthur

yeah, we haven't lynched enough townies left

[Human Sequencer]

yet*

[pieguyn]

oh my fucking god scout, your reads are god-awful.

[inspectorscout]

Maybe.
Butie is still scum.

Pedit: i'm sorry but who said S-S was town?

[inspectorscout]

So thats it? My reads are bad? Thats all you're gonna sayabout what I said?

[pieguyn]

jester is playing 100% lurkscum, though

^this.

do you really need me to quote his entire ISO and explain why there's nothing town in it? if you disagree with him being scum, actually look at his posts and give me *ONE* reason for him being town.

[inspectorscout]

I never said I disagreed. Tell me where I said that.

[pieguyn]

I am pushing this because there is absolutely, absolutely nothing town in his posts. it's beyond nonsensical that he was allowed to live through yesterday because of "lul S_S is scum" "lul I'ma suicide on GE" shenanigans and I want this to happen no longer.

[mhsmith0]

Parama, let's make a deal; today mhsmuth/pie, tomorrow me/arthur

^ this pretty decent implies you think that jester is town since he's not on your kill list
Am I wrong?

[pieguyn]

I never said I disagreed. Tell me where I said that.

don't give me this semantic nonsense.

you are calling me scum for my push on Jester, either explain why I'm wrong or back off.

[Human Sequencer]

btw mariar don't you dare feel like your ruse didn't work just because i'm mellow, the earth shattered when my ego popped it was so grand and loud <3
parama had to fake a reaction to it so it helped me find him at least

[inspectorscout]

I am pushing this because there is absolutely, absolutely nothing town in his posts. it's beyond nonsensical that he was allowed to live through yesterday because of "lul S_S is scum" "lul I'ma suicide on GE" shenanigans and I want this to happen no longer.

But S_S (almost) got lynched, so using the 'lul S_S scum' argument here is pointless, unless you make it against 6 other people. Threathening with suicide is also not scummy. Why is it scummy for you?


Pedit: I mainly called you scum for your terrible progression on mhsmith. Jester is either an easy target or a bus for towncred.

[pieguyn]

and yes, you somehow seem to think that _your_ pair is a scum pair on top of all this, despite both SAD and you being obviously town, so your view of the game is completely off.

in similar vein, if you want to try to explain the scum read on SAD you can and I'll let you know where I think you're going wrong with it.

[inspectorscout]

Parama, let's make a deal; today mhsmuth/pie, tomorrow me/arthur

^ this pretty decent implies you think that jester is town since he's not on your kill list
Am I wrong?

No, since jester will be lynched afterwards anyway.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Vote: Parama

I was having my doubts about her during night after shadow town-flip, but her coming out the gate push on me is atrociously bad.

Fwiw inspector called her obvtown during night. Which like I don't see at all lol.

[Kagami]

HS is lock-town especially after her last few posts, it's just unfortunate that her lover is scum.

SAD/inspectorscout are both town. from there the last scum pair is either mine or Dunn/Kagami, but I haven't looked that much further into it yet.

I actually did not like HS's post-leaving pre-flip posting, but we're otherwise on the same page.

VOTE: jester

[mhsmith0]

I don't think your progression was townie at all. You went from 'my partner is fine' to, when he got suspicion 'I can't believe he's town'

Only to flip that read - wisely spread out over a few posts - that he is town. Today, she comes out saying that mhsmith shouldnt be lynched before at least 2 town flips - that equals never.

Calling jester 'obvscum lurker' is also a very easy way to get people to vote for your wagon without saying anything useful.

When did she think I was fine? She was pushing on me since super early in her ISO

I have basically just accepted the fact that I will never get anywhere if I try to read the entire game before posting every time.

by and large, I definitely agree with Nahdia that we need to be town hunting here and that optimal play is identifying a town/town pair that should survive to endgame; I largely think that if we're debating what order to lynch the rest of the pairs in, it should be done for information purposes and not by serially identifying the scummiest pairs. for that reason, I don't particularly care *that* much about who the lynch is so long as I'm not reading the pair as town.

as of page like 50-something, I still think The_Jester is scum, and I largely agree with consensus that GE/Vedith needs to die before endgame (this meaning I agree GE needs to die before endgame). I'm sad to admit that I could also see mhsmith0 as scum pretty easily, just based on how passive he is, though I'm open to correction if anyone wants to point me to something town he's done in the past however-many pages.

I am still very wary of Parama, although I think they look slightly better than I thought before based on what I have seen from them.

Kagami-san, you called for me?

And I guess I'm curious what you see as unnatural about her read flip, starting

I second guess whether mhsmith is the type of player who can feign frustration like this, at least. someone who knows mhsmith better than me can confirm or deny this or I can go look at his games myself.

literally all of our interactions have been me trying to explain to you why I've been playing the way I have been, and then you just respond with what amounts to "I don't understand why you would do this, your explanation is invalid" and you effectively completely ignore my response and continue to push the same thing.

you just assume that if I'm doing something that you don't understand, it's clearly because I must be scum. that is a fucking arrogant mindset and my issue is that I don't know how much I believe you would be that arrogant as town. I don't believe you would truly think that your way of playing is the only valid way of playing and that when I tell you "this is why I'm doing X" and it falls outside of the List of Behaviors mhsmith Thinks is Reasonable, you say I must be scum for it instead of the alternate explanation - that you're just fucking wrong about the way I've chosen to approach the game.

that's where my issue with your play lies.

other than simply the fact that her read changed.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Parama, let's make a deal; today mhsmuth/pie, tomorrow me/arthur

Inspector I really still think you're town but this is wtf.

[mhsmith0]

also

I mean, yes, there are times when someone does something that actually is scummy, or contradicts themselves, and then when you question them about it they don't have a good answer. and in that scenario, yes, you have every right to continue questioning over them.

the difference here is that there is nothing - absolutely nothing - that is contradictory about how I've acted this game. and this is why I fucking hate the way you're interacting with me on a personal level - you don't actually try to think and understand at all, you just say "oh, I've tried to understand and I still don't. that must mean you're scum!".

if you've "tried to understand" and you haven't, then no, it doesn't make me scum, it means you just haven't fucking thought hard enough to actually understand my play.

for the record I don't even know if I believe you're scum for this anymore. at this point, I continue to comment on it because the way you're treating me is straight up pissing me off.

which similarly dovetail into "stuff that seems more natural for frustrated town than scum that are faking it" as well as "that's pretty obnoxious if that's scum just faking it"

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

sad is scum part 1:

See the thing is, being "townie" or "town-looking" is just NOT good enough. The wincon isn't "go look townie" it's "find scum". So far:

MDS has no scumreads
You have no scumreads
Shadow has NO reads
Dunn has NO reads
Maria has NO reads
Vedith has 1 read
Parama has 1 read
Cerb has done nothing
mhsmith has done nothing (except discuss setup early on ~so~ helpful wow)
Gamma has ????????? reads
Kagami has ????????? reads

Me and inspector have discussed more reads than I feel has been discussed in 70 pages of this thread.

Imagine the deadline was only 8 days for all of Day 1 like the other games. Seriously imagine that.

this was the first thing that really bothered me. it's just this disgusting mass discredit of practically everyone in the game.

and does sad really believe this? it doesn't sound like it, it looks like he's just making this entire post to buddy inspector some more while throwing shade at everyone. if he was reading the thread at all he'd know this is outright false

Did I really believe it; Yes.

There your case is gone.

[pieguyn]

Pedit: I mainly called you scum for your terrible progression on mhsmith.

I was thinking really emotionally at the point when I was certain mhsmith was scum.

I've stepped back a bit and I don't feel anywhere near as good about lynching him as I did before, especially with two people who I think are fairly obviously scum. I don't have a town read on him, but I'm not completely full of bloodlust like I was before and I seriously question whether my assessment of his posts was correct. HS reigning me in and getting me to calm down and be more receptive to mhsmith's mindset is a lot of the reason for this, but even outside of that I just don't know.

also it isn't that "I don't want to lynch mhsmith until we get two town flips", it's that I want Jester -> Parama and then I reevaluate from there regardless of what they flip - even if both are scum, there is still a chance I lynch mhsmith afterward anyway.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I mean do I tend to play in an abrasive playstyle that tends to exaggerate things for effect? Yes. Did I believe a lot of people weren't scum hunting enough and some being utterly useless at the time? Yes.

[mhsmith0]

I'll also agree Jester's also been really useless (and doesn't get the cerberus patented "I'm gonna be super useless intentionally this game just so maybe I won't absorb the night kill" excuse) so I guess
VOTE: jester
though I'll listen on parama too (but I think HS has been more town than MDS and more useful, so I kinda would rather get rid of the jester set first i guess)