New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball - [Game Over]

[Parama]

don't ignore me dunn

[mhsmith0]

Looks like you're making up reasons to lynch other people without outright defending mhsmith (which you can't really do if you're scum and he's town since his scumminess levels were way up there)

I honestly don't know how you can actually think "his scumminess levels were way up there"; I remain skeptical that town!you is THAT bad at reading me.

How many people townread you during day 1?

Are you seriously deflecting onto popular opinion? With "Well those other people didn't think you were really towny". I remain skeptical that YOU, the person in the game with the most experience playing with me, would be that bad at reading me, especially after your participation in the shit wagon on me in our last game together.

[inspectorscout]

'Its possible that shes scum protecting her lover but here she might not be doing it' is a perfect example of not taking a stance in a discussion that can go either way.
The whole post's tone is bad, i hope you can see that

"Hey scout I think this was null and you just argued that it was alignment-indicative; justify why you thought it was alignment-indicative". The point I was making was clear; now that I'm asking it for the THIRD TIME how about actually answering the question instead of going "gee that was a bad post by smith".

Hey IS, should i just spam post this or what?

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But I answered the question? You even quoted it? You didn't take any stance and suggested stuff that isnt even useful.

Its like dunn as scum in hunger games said 'this nightkill points to x being scum but wifom so lol'
Its scummy because you are mentioning the events rather than discussing them.

Hey scout I think this POST BY MDS was null and you just argued that THE POST BY MDS was alignment-indicative; justify why you thought it was alignment-indicative

Read. My. Fucking. Posts. 3874

[pieguyn]

Dunn fits with parama and Jester, I think.

their reads feel off and forced and 3910 is a typical scum sort of "ignoring the motivation someone posts in the game thread to invent some cosmic motivation for someone's posts" push.

[mhsmith0]

Statistically speaking, scum was definitely on the wagon. This is awkward useless filler
'Id love to say x is scum but i dont want to point fingers so dont hold me accountable, lol'
Where is the town in that?

Like this is the closest you came to making a case that it was indicative, and even that was weak. But suddenly it was enough to flip your opinion on her?

[pieguyn]

I think scum are largely hoping to win this game through sheer force of will at this point.

[mhsmith0]

So everyone else has the possibility of being scum apart from you and jester, but its up to us to figure it out? Hell no.

^and that part isn't even you making a "she's scum" case, it's essentially just a "fuck you" bit.

[inspectorscout]

Statistically speaking, scum was definitely on the wagon. This is awkward useless filler
'Id love to say x is scum but i dont want to point fingers so dont hold me accountable, lol'
Where is the town in that?

Like this is the closest you came to making a case that it was indicative, and even that was weak. But suddenly it was enough to flip your opinion on her?

I think i said the whole post sounded fake.
Also, surprise: i scumread mds the whole game. Ask her. I didnt flip because of 1 post, i just had more trust in it. I do think her frustration afterwards is genuine, tjough.

Do you scumread me? Dont you have any patience? Do you feel the need to vote me?

[inspectorscout]

Im leaving before I lose my shit here.

[Dunnstral]

don't ignore me dunn

I didn't. If HS wants to talk about my read on them, they're free to. And I'd prefer to wait for that. If you want to fact-check my read, check my iso

[mhsmith0]

I think i said the whole post sounded fake.
Also, surprise: i scumread mds the whole game. Ask her. I didnt flip because of 1 post, i just had more trust in it. I do think her frustration afterwards is genuine, tjough.

Do you scumread me? Dont you have any patience? Do you feel the need to vote me?

If I felt the need to vote you I'd be voting. You're much more of a null for me rn, and I feel like other flips would be more hepful in terms of evaluating you.

[Dunnstral]

Dunn fits with parama and Jester, I think.

their reads feel off and forced and 3910 is a typical scum sort of "ignoring the motivation someone posts in the game thread to invent some cosmic motivation for someone's posts" push.

So let me get this straight

All game I'm hovering around towny for you

As soon as I push on you I'm scum making up reads

[Dunnstral]

I do think parama's agression and just posting whatever is on her mind is townie, although i kind of dislike her case on arthur.

"aggression" and "posting whatever is on their mind" aren't good reasons to seriously town read someone at this point in the game.

Alright. Why should people be town reading you at this point in the game?
After all, isn't "aggression" and "posting whatever is on their mind" your game so far?


Follow-up question: Who's townreading you, and what's your opinion on them

If you're town it would do you good to seriously evaluate this, because by your own logic the people town reading you should be scum.

Yet you're acting contrary to that

[inspectorscout]

I think i said the whole post sounded fake.
Also, surprise: i scumread mds the whole game. Ask her. I didnt flip because of 1 post, i just had more trust in it. I do think her frustration afterwards is genuine, tjough.

Do you scumread me? Dont you have any patience? Do you feel the need to vote me?

If I felt the need to vote you I'd be voting. You're much more of a null for me rn, and I feel like other flips would be more hepful in terms of evaluating you.

I think we've had more than enough interactions for you to sort me. If pie isn't satisfied with my reads because they are based on agression and careless posting, why should you have a null-read on a rather active poster who has had multiple interactions with you and with others without her making a problem over it?

Isnt that cherrypicking from her side? When dunn calls her out on that, she throws out a scumread on him. Is that townie?

[mhsmith0]

@MDS: Since you're relatively new, I'll just note this: when wagons start getting big, and majority starts getting close, that's when shit starts getting real, and you really see what people think. That's why you don't ever suicide pre-LYLO in a game like this.

[Parama]

don't ignore me dunn

I didn't. If HS wants to talk about my read on them, they're free to. And I'd prefer to wait for that. If you want to fact-check my read, check my iso

you have the largest iso in the game and you know what your points against HS are just point to them it'll take you a fraction of the time it'll take me

[Dunnstral]

Looks like you're making up reasons to lynch other people without outright defending mhsmith (which you can't really do if you're scum and he's town since his scumminess levels were way up there)

I honestly don't know how you can actually think "his scumminess levels were way up there"; I remain skeptical that town!you is THAT bad at reading me.

How many people townread you during day 1?

Are you seriously deflecting onto popular opinion? With "Well those other people didn't think you were really towny". I remain skeptical that YOU, the person in the game with the most experience playing with me, would be that bad at reading me, especially after your participation in the shit wagon on me in our last game together.

"Deflecting"

Think this through with me. If pieguy is scum, and you're town, the amount of people townreading you is 0. If pieguy comes in and "townreads" you she looks bad.

Good chance you're just scum as well though. The way you keep bringing up a past game isn't helping.

[Dunnstral]

I'll lay out some information for the rest of the.... well for you guys

HS-Parma pair won't push (and barely interact) with the mhsmith-pieguyn pairing

And they both hard pushing Shadow

Relevant

[Dunnstral]

don't ignore me dunn

I didn't. If HS wants to talk about my read on them, they're free to. And I'd prefer to wait for that. If you want to fact-check my read, check my iso

you have the largest iso in the game and you know what your points against HS are just point to them it'll take you a fraction of the time it'll take me

ctrl f friendo.

I don't want to say anything about it until hs gets on.

[mhsmith0]

I think we've had more than enough interactions for you to sort me. If pie isn't satisfied with my reads because they are based on agression and careless posting, why should you have a null-read on a rather active poster who has had multiple interactions with you and with others without her making a problem over it?

Isnt that cherrypicking from her side? When dunn calls her out on that, she throws out a scumread on him. Is that townie?

You think I should be thinking you're obv!town? In a game where we've had zero scum flips? There have been certain things you've done that make me think BS (the seeming scum-hunting of the IC from way before, the seeming reachy read of MDS's post just now, I think something else I forgot), but I've alos generally gotten a town sense from you, so overall it reads null, especially without any red flips to make associative reads on.

As I'd said before, I'm town-reading pie because of the manner in which she handled my push on her, both in the thread and the PT. I think the way in which her whole demeanor was "how dare you suspect me for this" with essentially zero effort towards making any kind of peace for a substantial amount of time is more consistent with "aggrieved townie" than "scum pretending to be aggrieved townie" especially given her generally non-emotional scum play (if someone wants to feed me an example or two of her doing differently as scum I might listen though), and as I siad, I think the sheer obnoxiousness of it (since if she's scum, it's unquestionably obnoxious) makes me skeptical she'd even want to play like that.

I will say I'm curious where the dunn-pie back and forth goes, and am willing to potentially reconsider my stance if I see good evidence to do so. But I'm certainly not there at this point in time.

[Dunnstral]

Oh well. Like I said: good luck.

VOTE: MiniDeathStar

Why the dramatics?

[pieguyn]

I think we've had more than enough interactions for you to sort me. If pie isn't satisfied with my reads because they are based on agression and careless posting, why should you have a null-read on a rather active poster who has had multiple interactions with you and with others without her making a problem over it?

you're not scum for that, ftr, that was me attempting to explain to you why your read doesn't hold water.

Isnt that cherrypicking from her side? When dunn calls her out on that, she throws out a scumread on him. Is that townie?

I don't know what you're even talking about here; the issue I had with 3910 is that he invented some reason to scum read me for "making up reasons to lynch other pairs", despite the fact that my progressions on Jester, Parama, and mhsmith have all been documented in-thread already.

[Dunnstral]

I will say I'm curious where the dunn-pie back and forth goes, and am willing to potentially reconsider my stance if I see good evidence to do so. But I'm certainly not there at this point in time.

What compelled you to say this out loud?

You understand how this could change the course of events, right?

[pieguyn]

I'll lay out some information for the rest of the.... well for you guys

HS-Parma pair won't push (and barely interact) with the mhsmith-pieguyn pairing

And they both hard pushing Shadow

Relevant

Dunn/Parama... hmmm

[mhsmith0]

"Deflecting"

Think this through with me. If pieguy is scum, and you're town, the amount of people townreading you is 0. If pieguy comes in and "townreads" you she looks bad.

Good chance you're just scum as well though. The way you keep bringing up a past game isn't helping.

HS was pretty hard town-reading me, for starters. IIRC SAD was null-scum on me, though you'd have to ask him to be sure. And I think general board opinion was that I wasn't nearly scummy enough to particularly strongly want wagoned (see Maria's back-down, and I think that the brief time I was at 4 votes was the peak).

But yes, the idea that scum!pie can't just town-read me is a reasonable one. My read comes not from the simple fact that she acted like she suspected me, but rather the manner in which things went down. "I suspect smith" is easy to fake, but the whole back and forth? I feel like that's harder. So if you want me to roll with your read that it was fake, you need to actually demonstrate what looks fake about it, rather than just "well it's possible it was fake since she'd have an incentive to fake suspicion there".