New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball - [Game Over]

[Dunnstral]

Saying you want to lynch a bunch of other people before your pair doesn't exactly inspire confidence. I thought you wanted to lynch Shadow because you wanted to discuss with Kagami? There seems to be a mutual lack of that

for one, Kagami has already commented on my reads and said we were mostly on the same page.

we don't seem to strongly disagree on anyone besides HS, and we seem to agree on Parama regardless, so... /shrug

don't really know what your point here is

Actually...

@pie: what do you think of kagami just doing a quick "I agree with pie with a small difference on HS, I vote jester" pop-in? Is that level of post about what you normally would expect from her at this point?

Btw this was pretty much what I was arguing and she (pieguy) brushed it off by saying they talked about it or something

[Parama]

@dunn is kagami posting naything in your pt or did she place down a cheap vote and just screw off

[Dunnstral]

She's responding to me in the pt

[Parama]

what's she saying

[Dunnstral]

She has posts of her own as well*

[mhsmith0]

"It could have influenced the way I acted"

Seems pretty careless of a thing for you to say as town. It reads more as posturing to show other people you're considering something.

You wouldn't say "if scum kill me, x is town" unless you were wifoming, would you?

1) I don't think i ever said "It could have influenced the way I acted"?
2) I still don't actually understand your point. What exactly did I say that was careless, and why did you interpret it as posturing? Like, 3944 expliitcly stated why I was TRing pie, and then basically noted that I'm keeping an eye on pie v dunn to see how it developed. i don't understand at all how that was careless or posturing. So since you seem to think it was, you should explain why you think it.

[mhsmith0]

She has posts of her own as well*

today she has one post in thread

[Dunnstral]

She has posts of her own as well*

today she has one post in thread

and ~170 of them in our pt

[Dunnstral]

what's she saying

Maybe you should ask her and see if she answers

[mhsmith0]

Saying you want to lynch a bunch of other people before your pair doesn't exactly inspire confidence. I thought you wanted to lynch Shadow because you wanted to discuss with Kagami? There seems to be a mutual lack of that

for one, Kagami has already commented on my reads and said we were mostly on the same page.

we don't seem to strongly disagree on anyone besides HS, and we seem to agree on Parama regardless, so... /shrug

don't really know what your point here is

Actually...

@pie: what do you think of kagami just doing a quick "I agree with pie with a small difference on HS, I vote jester" pop-in? Is that level of post about what you normally would expect from her at this point?

Btw this was pretty much what I was arguing and she (pieguy) brushed it off by saying they talked about it or something

Well, yes, the "brush off" was in the quote block. I'm curious about how this compares to how she'd expect kagami to normally act.

PS You seem to be mainly arguing a different point since before this you hadn't followed up on this specific issue? Or am I misreading you?

[mhsmith0]

She has posts of her own as well*

today she has one post in thread

and ~170 of them in our pt

really? did she have a particular reason to just be in pt and not main thread?

[Parama]

@Kagami

: why are you hiding in your lover PT and not providing the town with delicious content-filled posts

[mhsmith0]

Alright. Why should people be town reading you at this point in the game?
After all, isn't "aggression" and "posting whatever is on their mind" your game so far?


Follow-up question: Who's townreading you, and what's your opinion on them

Do you think she's been trying to get town-read off of those particular ideas? Do you think people are town reading her specifically for that reason? It sounds like you think that this is the case, but I know that wasn't why I was town-reading her, and I don't recall that being offered up as an explanation otherwise? if I'm incorrect, could you point me to where that happened? And if you're incorrect, then why does the rest of the questioning make sense, since it seems to be predicated on a (I think) false premise?

[Dunnstral]

PS You seem to be mainly arguing a different point since before this you hadn't followed up on this specific issue? Or am I misreading you?

Just bringing it up again; I did talk about it earlier in the day. Not sure if it was before or after you but think it was before

[pieguyn]

This is worth a serious answer to and I'm going to quote it until it gets one

no, it isn't and your insistence on this doesn't give me any reason to feel good about you.

first off, asking me to explain why people should be town reading myself at this point in the game is thoroughly stupid. I hope I don't need to explain why this is the case. this isn't a game state where I've done a bunch of things that I'm consciously aware that I would not have done as scum, and I'm not going to be that player who quotes everything they've done and be like "look at me, I'm so town!" when it really isn't all that town. I think if you approach it from a logical POV, I look more town than not for basically the same reason I said on D1 - I'd likely play a much more straight-laced scum game in this player list, since I probably would be able to get away with it without much effort - but based on my tone and my content, there isn't any way I can give a reasonable answer to this.

second, you've basically reduced what I've done in this game to "aggression" and "posting whatever is on my mind", which is a huge logical stretch. I am fairly sure that if you ask anyone about their town reads on me, they will give you more than just "aggression" and "posting whatever is on my mind". I think probably the closest anyone has come to having a straight read on my play would be mhsmith picking up on the fact that my tone here is my town tone and that the way I'm pushing people is not how I do it when I'm scum, but it definitely isn't just "aggression" or "posting whatever is on my mind", it's the fact that the *nuance* of it is more likely to come from town.

inspectorscout's read on Parama *was* just based on aggression and them just posting whatever was on their mind, without any more depth to it, so no I don't think it's a good reason to town read Parama. however, if inspectorscout wanted to look through their ISO, pull up specific posts, and explain *why* something in particular was town aggression or a town thought to have, I'd be more than willing to think about it/consider it/offer a counterargument/etc., but I didn't because it wasn't there.

[Dunnstral]

Do you think she's been trying to get town-read off of those particular ideas? Do you think people are town reading her specifically for that reason?

No.

By her own logic, aggressiveness and posting what you feel aren't reasons to be townreading someone

Yet what has she done? Besides be aggressive and post what they feel? Don't misunderstand me: I'm not pushing on pieguy in that post. If she's town, she seriously needs to look at the people townreading her for no reason because there's probably scum

[pieguyn]

like the thing with this is neither Dunn _or_ Parama feel worried to me at all.

I might just be reading too much into it, but if Jester is town, scum would know that I'd likely lose most of my credibility after his flip.

Worried about what?

if Jester is scum, worried that your partner will be lynched and that then I'll be able to chain it into a lynch on you.

[Dunnstral]

for basically the same reason I said on D1 - I'd likely play a much more straight-laced scum game in this player list, since I probably would be able to get away with it without much effort

You can't expect people to take your word for it. You should reevaluate your reads.

[pieguyn]

also, more about the nuance thing, Parama's push on S_S for the entire duration of this game was very aggressive, but I think it was aggressive in a way that's indicative of scum, not town - they basically just made up a scum slip based around something that wasn't a slip at all and continued to hard push it the entire day to the exclusion of everything else besides SAD's pair (who I also think is town).

[Dunnstral]

like the thing with this is neither Dunn _or_ Parama feel worried to me at all.

I might just be reading too much into it, but if Jester is town, scum would know that I'd likely lose most of my credibility after his flip.

Worried about what?

if Jester is scum, worried that your partner will be lynched and that then I'll be able to chain it into a lynch on you.

I thought parama was my partner?

Regardless, I don't care if jester is lynched. Actually, I do. I don't care If they get lynched... eventually. If everyone ignores me and lynches whoever for the second day in a row we're going to have problems and it honestly doesn't matter what they flip because they're still ignoring my points

[pieguyn]

You can't expect people to take your word for it. You should reevaluate your reads.

I don't know (or really care) if people in this game are town reading me for that reason, that's probably just the reason I'd use if I was attempting to read myself ignoring any sort of judgement call about my tone.

/shrug I don't really think it's productive to question town reads on myself in general, although if there's one or more in particular you take issue with, you can point it out to me and I can look at it.

[mhsmith0]

Do you think she's been trying to get town-read off of those particular ideas? Do you think people are town reading her specifically for that reason?

No.

By her own logic, aggressiveness and posting what you feel aren't reasons to be townreading someone

Yet what has she done? Besides be aggressive and post what they feel? Don't misunderstand me: I'm not pushing on pieguy in that post.

If she's town, she seriously needs to look at the people townreading her for no reason because there's probably scum

Why? That logic makes perfect sense if I was a solid scum-read for her, but since that isn't currently the case, why does it make sense from her POV that scum would be OK with our pair not getting pressure? Barring the existence of a scum-scum pair (possible but I'd think unlikely - IIRC that hasn't happened yet in fakegod's format, and I think it's a super risky play when scum keep winning under normal conditions), scum need to mislynch every single surviving town-town pair in order to win. So in a world where she thinks I'm town (or is at worst null on me), then wouldn't it make more logical sense to be suspicious of people scum-reading her without substantiation, as opposed to people doing the same with a town read? What's the incentive for scum to prop up a town-town pair at this stage of the game?

[pieguyn]

I thought parama was my partner?

Regardless, I don't care if jester is lynched. Actually, I do. I don't care If they get lynched... eventually. If everyone ignores me and lynches whoever for the second day in a row we're going to have problems and it honestly doesn't matter what they flip because they're still ignoring my points

that was a hypothetical where I was thinking about Jester being scum and one or more of {you, Parama} being scum with him. I just don't have the ~feeling~ either of you are acting like a Jester lynch is really problematic for you, hence I've stopped to question it.

[pieguyn]

meanwhile if Jester/MDS is town I'm thoroughly stuck if you two are scum given Jester was my push the entire game and we'd have no more extra lynches, so there's a lot of risk involved.

[Dunnstral]

What's the incentive for scum to prop up a town-town pair at this stage of the game?

I don't think you're a town-town pair.