New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball - [Game Over]

[Dunnstral]

Alright HS let's get one thing clear:

mhsmith-pie isn't the town-town pair so you can stop preaching that. Arthur isn't getting lynched over your pair so you can stop that, too

[Dunnstral]

Vedith was scumreading Arthur pretty hard.

Vedith suicided

[Dunnstral]

HS, why have you ignored kagami all game?

By which you called her town without reason, pushed on my badly, and never voted us

[inspectorscout]

For once I don't fully disagree with funnstral
Well done dude

[Dunnstral]

I'm getting the shivers as If I'm pushing inspectorscum's agenda

[Dunnstral]

HS why don't you take a second look at what I've been saying about mhsmith-pie today

[inspectorscout]

My agenda is lynching pie/mhsmith, thats all

Yet people dont seem to have me get what i want at any point during this game

[Parama]

okay fair enough then
if smith is town, is it scummy?

Well it's def anti-town. Too many people are going "mhsmith/pie are the town pair lets just lynch through the rest of the player list" making me think scum are trying to propel them easily to endgame while looking like they're making townie idea by identifying a town pair. It puts little effort into actually scumhunting but masks itself as ~contribution~.

Why can't it just be that MDS townreads the pair? Like if MDS was townreading the pair and nobody else was, would it still be scummy?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Why can't it just be that MDS townreads the pair? Like if MDS was townreading the pair and nobody else was, would it still be scummy?

???

What are you even saying? That didn't happen THIS game. In an alternative universe where MDS has been scumhunting, has have valid reasons for her mhsmith-pie read, and has came up with an original idea of mhsmith/pie as the town pair, then I would not have called out MDS as scumny for the post. But even then the idea would still be anti-row.

The problem is that's not the reality of THIS game. I don't look at single posts, but a person's posts on a whole and the flow of the game.

Like I seriously have no idea wtf you're trying to get out of your line of questioning. Are you just asking random things? Or are you in favor of blindly lynching everyone but the mhsmith-pie pair? If it's the latter make it clear now, take a stance without being waffly.

[mhsmith0]

Need to think about this and reread. Weekend is crazy so far.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: jester-mds

Thought they were L-1 or 2

holy crap kill this with fire

okay yeah
calling it now: MDS/Jester T/T 100%
SAD + Kagami + smith I guess?

Why do you think that was scum!kagami spewing mds/jester town? Like, to me the most sense it makes from scum!her (admitting that it's bizarre as hell under almost any read) is if she's somehow trying to fake-spew them town in a really horrible way. Like, let's say that kagami is scum and mds/jester is a town pair. What in the world is she doing there? Completely losing track of the vote count and super-derping the hammer attempt? Going full wifom?

Also Dunn, this would be a good time to actually talk about the hundreds of posts she's been making in PT, given the flagrant uselessness of her thread presence so far in d2, and her apparent unwillingness to even kind of look like she's contributing.

Ps I'm also wondering if the unvote was because she thought they were l-1/2 as opposed to the revote (I.e. She got nervous about a quickhammer and then revoted when she realized there weren't nearly enough votes for it), although given her (intentional?) lack of clarity on the matter it's hard to any if that's the case, if that's just her faking it, or if I'm totally misreading.

[Parama]

misreading the chain of events, smith. kagami jumped off the wagon 'cause she thought it was near a lynch, then hopped right back on when she realized it wasn't. you're misreading.

also i don't know what spewing means in this context

[Parama]

Why can't it just be that MDS townreads the pair? Like if MDS was townreading the pair and nobody else was, would it still be scummy?

???

What are you even saying? That didn't happen THIS game. In an alternative universe where MDS has been scumhunting, has have valid reasons for her mhsmith-pie read, and has came up with an original idea of mhsmith/pie as the town pair, then I would not have called out MDS as scumny for the post. But even then the idea would still be anti-row.

The problem is that's not the reality of THIS game. I don't look at single posts, but a person's posts on a whole and the flow of the game.

Like I seriously have no idea wtf you're trying to get out of your line of questioning. Are you just asking random things? Or are you in favor of blindly lynching everyone but the mhsmith-pie pair? If it's the latter make it clear now, take a stance without being waffly.

so its 100% scummy by association, got it.

...nope. see it.

also i've already said this but i'm totally up for blindly lynching everyone but my own pair as i'm confident HS is town

[mhsmith0]

Spew is when someone who's a wolf says things that, after they flip wolf, make it clear what someone else's alignment is. So like a super hard push where it's clear they REALLY want someone dead (bonus points if it's on like day one) would tend to spew someone villager, while really awkward interactions (or just a lack of interactions) suggest teammates.

It seemed like you were calling mds/jester lock town in reaction to kagami post, which I considered odd, since "fake spew someone town" seems like a reasonable enough strategy at this point in the game. Was I misreading you?

[Dunnstral]

Also Dunn, this would be a good time to actually talk about the hundreds of posts she's been making in PT, given the flagrant uselessness of her thread presence so far in d2, and her apparent unwillingness to even kind of look like she's contributing.

I did and got ignored

[Parama]

between kagami's push and arthur's push on the pair, i do think they're very likely town, yes

[Parama]

@dunn still waiting for your arguments against HS

[Parama]

likewise @ HS still waiting for your reasons why SAD is town

[mhsmith0]

Fwiw, if Dunn/kagami is v/w in some order, I'm thinking that dunns continued push on me probably makes pie town if he's scum, while kagami being red makes me more suspicious of her (I'm still town reading her really just from her interactions w me, because most of the rest seems NAI and fakeable, unless people think she's incapable of stuff like "being consistent" and "following a plan that she said she wanted to follow" as a wolf.).

[mhsmith0]

Also Dunn, this would be a good time to actually talk about the hundreds of posts she's been making in PT, given the flagrant uselessness of her thread presence so far in d2, and her apparent unwillingness to even kind of look like she's contributing.

I did and got ignored

She has posts of her own as well*

today she has one post in thread

and ~170 of them in our pt

Was your last mention of her contributions to date on d2. I don't think you'd actually said what she'd been saying in PT, just that she actually had been saying stuff.

[Dunnstral]

I'll start off with Kagami and this is going to be the longest one and contain the most new info... also I'm going to mix in reads on other people a lot here so bear with me I'm not that organized

First of all I may or may not be biased and want her to be town

I don't really know what she's doing. I asked why she wasn't responding to shadow in my pt and she said there was nothing for her to respond to. Thing is I know she her reads did transition in the pt but it didn't show in the main thread and she isn't defending herself so it looks bad. (Says she's posted enough for reads to be interpret-able and pie will get it)

Speaking of the pt, she's active in there too. She's got 65 posts in the main thread and ~60 in the pt and I'm willing to bet that's more than anybody else's half here (might be partially my influence as well)

Going to summarize some of Kagami's thoughts that I don't think need to be hidden (I'm outing mine too so)

-Really early in thinks jesterpair is correct choice. I agree with this
-Early on she thinks one of shadow-mariar and and gamma-vedith are town-town
-This read has shifted to now scumreading gamma, and thinking shadow-maria might be town-town
-Also thinks the ic pairing is town, along with us and hs-parama
-I've voiced suspicions on HS (mostly in-thread and tying in Kagami) while Kagami thinks HS is town but parama might need to be looked at (still thinks they're t-t for now)
. . . -I think Parama is town but question HS. Don't think either of us would lynch this right now/today though
-Says that if she were scum, she'd have paired with sickofit instead of me who scumread her
-Points out that jester townreads shadow but doesn't vote gamma though he scumreads gamma
. . . -This prompted me to ask about him intending to place a vote
. . . -Kagami made a good point very recently saying that Jester's townread on Parama is weird considering the strong townread on Shadow from the start


Note that when I pushed kagami as scum nobody bit, to the point where it seemed like everyone just said she was "lean town" when (imo) the read wasn't deserved
Based off of this I want to feel as if I'm not being pushed at all because I'm paired with Kagami.
In response kagami said she was a little offended that I assumed she was a weak scum player

As for her scumreads, they're jester, gamma, and mhsmith maybe in that order

In response to me she said if mhsmith were scum he'd be spending a low amount of effort sorting out his pt
. . . -This prompted me to ask mhsmith about his pt, to which the response from him and pie was that they hadn't really done anything (pie noted that mhsmith was 'passive')


Just from reading i got a gut townread on pie (not terribly important)
I feel as if mhsmith is mafia. I also feel good about Gamma being mafia

I've come to townread S.A.D and kagami agrees here. We're both "meh" on inspectorscout though it's not something that needs to be sorted immediately.
. . . -Kagami thinks that if mhsmith is scum this pair is very likely t-t


And that's all I have effort to write for now; ended up just being about Kagami... don't regret

To sum up my other reads:

I scumread mhsmith. In fact;
VOTE: Mhsmith-Pieguy

I still scumread gamma pair

Kagami suspects Jester pair
Current thoughts on Kagami pending

Here's my post, where I go into detail on what's going on in our PT. Here are the reactions:

It makes me laugh how much Dunn wants to shine away from lynch either group in me/gamma and Maria/Shadow.

For information alone, lynching these hroups are the only option.

Smith wagon I can agree with. VOTE: mshsmith0 x pieguyn

Jester's town though. Dunn's also town. I think he pretty much townslipped with the daychat thing.

mhsmith-pie needs to be closely scrutinized but it definitely doesn't need to be today when we have shadowmariar, jestermds and vedithgamma all very helpful and informative lynch targets which are all likely to hit scum and every single pair can't be classified as t-t by a longshot.
Dunn's incredible lust to point the wagon literally anywhere else is concerning.

I really think (and parma agrees) that this DP is dragging on without flips. Namely shadow.

Didn't even say much about mhsmith is this post other than the fact that I scumread him

[mhsmith0]

Has she been saying a lot today in PT? If so, what has she been saying today?

[Dunnstral]

Yeah, we talked for 30 minutes or so when she had time

She thinks Jester-MDS definitely has scum n it
She also agreed with me at the time that HS-Parama probably has scum in it
She commented that everybody wants to lynch us but nobody really wants to lynch us (which I said in thread 1000's of posts ago so I agree there)
Off of that she says either I'm scum or we're being saved for a later lynch
She thinks if I were scum I'd be unlikely to bus in this situation, not expecting to live, and so thinks if I'm scum it's with jester pair and SADboys
I asked about me not being scum and she said in that case scum would be in mhsmith-pieguy for that specific pair
Comments that there's not a lot of support for a Jester wagon
We agree that HS is setting up a weird dichotomy between SAD and Parama (at least HS is the biggest contributor and the strangest)

There's more but that's the gist of our recent exchange

[Dunnstral]

I've noted that there's a lack on engagement in thread between Mhsmith pair, HS pair, and Kagami as well so I'm entertaining thoughts there

Though I'm definitely up for lynching the first two regardless

[Dunnstral]

mhsmith you seem to have completely missed my 1933

[mhsmith0]

Did she talk about why she isn't talking in thread? It seems a bit odd for her to be substantive in PT but not main thread; is this an availability thing? Something else?

Wrt pie, I kinda think that town!pie means:
Dunn!scum
At least one scum in jester/parama
And nit sure where a third would be if jester/parama is v/w

And wolf!pie probably means:
Kagami!scum
Maybe HS!scum given his hard defense of me day one
And not really sure whether pie!scum makes jester more or less likely scum
And I kinda struggle to see