New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball - [Game Over]

[mhsmith0]

mhsmith you seem to have completely missed my 1933

you seem to have missed that I was asking what she'd been posting TODDAY since your "170+" comment was in response to my asking what she'd done today in PT, not all game

[mhsmith0]

She has posts of her own as well*

today she has one post in thread

and ~170 of them in our pt

^implies 170 posts TODAY in PT, which I thought was super bizarre given her total lack of thread presence so far today
I'm guessing you meant 170+ overall then? And much less today?

[Dunnstral]

Speaking of false dichotomy stop pushing that pie/dunn thing as a reason to push on me

[Dunnstral]

I meant 170 overall...

not 170 posts in like 2 real life days

[Dunnstral]

And wolf!pie probably means:
Kagami!scum
Maybe HS!scum

Uh, hello? That's what I've been saying

[Dunnstral]

mhsmith you seem to have completely missed my 1933

you seem to have missed that I was asking what she'd been posting TODDAY since your "170+" comment was in response to my asking what she'd done today in PT, not all game

You missed it when I posted it. Or ignored it.

[Dunnstral]

Seems you were more concerned with the vote on yourself than the big wall about kagami

[mhsmith0]

Speaking of false dichotomy stop pushing that pie/dunn thing as a reason to push on me

Your push on me has been hot garbage but I don't think you'd do it if pie was your buddy. Has this not obviously been my position?

[mhsmith0]

Seems you were more concerned with the vote on yourself than the big wall about kagami

Because your push on me sucked and was generally bullshit, and I was concerned with why town!you would actually believe it? Do you ACTUALLY think that putting energy into critically engaging with pushes on me, in a large game that's difficult to follow, is somehow scum-indicative?

[Dunnstral]

I like how you went from "trying to figure kagami out" to ignoring the post about kagami and pushing on me

[mhsmith0]

Also: at this stage in the game, it is really really bad for scum if a town/town pair is accurately identified, so if pie is town your push on me (and possibly scouts, I need to think on that more) reads like "oh shit we can't let these two get accurately town read"

So pie/Dunn as v/w makes a shit ton of sense wrt the game state, and is in no way seem kind of "false dichotomy" I pulled out of my ass.

[Dunnstral]

Yet you're voting jester

[mhsmith0]

I like how you went from "trying to figure kagami out" to ignoring the post about kagami and pushing on me

Is kagami here? Pray tell how

Yeah, we talked for 30 minutes or so when she had time

She thinks Jester-MDS definitely has scum n it
She also agreed with me at the time that HS-Parama probably has scum in it
She commented that everybody wants to lynch us but nobody really wants to lynch us (which I said in thread 1000's of posts ago so I agree there)
Off of that she says either I'm scum or we're being saved for a later lynch
She thinks if I were scum I'd be unlikely to bus in this situation, not expecting to live, and so thinks if I'm scum it's with jester pair and SADboys
I asked about me not being scum and she said in that case scum would be in mhsmith-pieguy for that specific pair
Comments that there's not a lot of support for a Jester wagon
We agree that HS is setting up a weird dichotomy between SAD and Parama (at least HS is the biggest contributor and the strangest)

There's more but that's the gist of our recent exchange

Gives enough substance for me to accurately sort her compared to what she'd done in thread today. None of what you say she said seems flagrantly unreasonable or clearly townie... so how do you expect town!me to react to that? You seem to be saying I should be doing more, but it's super unclear what exactly you would actually expect me to be doing, just "well gee you're not doing more" which is, once again, an intellectually lazy way of engaging me, which is kind of where I've been with you all game, which is (shockingly) also consistent with my v/w read of you and pie.

[Dunnstral]

You can't actually really push for my lynch and there's multiple explanations:
a. You're scum with kagami
b. You're scum but don't want me to flip with that dichotomy on pie

???

When do you expect me to get lynched, exactly? Are you hoping we suicide?

[Dunnstral]

I'll start off with Kagami and this is going to be the longest one and contain the most new info... also I'm going to mix in reads on other people a lot here so bear with me I'm not that organized

First of all I may or may not be biased and want her to be town

I don't really know what she's doing. I asked why she wasn't responding to shadow in my pt and she said there was nothing for her to respond to. Thing is I know she her reads did transition in the pt but it didn't show in the main thread and she isn't defending herself so it looks bad. (Says she's posted enough for reads to be interpret-able and pie will get it)

Speaking of the pt, she's active in there too. She's got 65 posts in the main thread and ~60 in the pt and I'm willing to bet that's more than anybody else's half here (might be partially my influence as well)

Going to summarize some of Kagami's thoughts that I don't think need to be hidden (I'm outing mine too so)

-Really early in thinks jesterpair is correct choice. I agree with this
-Early on she thinks one of shadow-mariar and and gamma-vedith are town-town
-This read has shifted to now scumreading gamma, and thinking shadow-maria might be town-town
-Also thinks the ic pairing is town, along with us and hs-parama
-I've voiced suspicions on HS (mostly in-thread and tying in Kagami) while Kagami thinks HS is town but parama might need to be looked at (still thinks they're t-t for now)
. . . -I think Parama is town but question HS. Don't think either of us would lynch this right now/today though
-Says that if she were scum, she'd have paired with sickofit instead of me who scumread her
-Points out that jester townreads shadow but doesn't vote gamma though he scumreads gamma
. . . -This prompted me to ask about him intending to place a vote
. . . -Kagami made a good point very recently saying that Jester's townread on Parama is weird considering the strong townread on Shadow from the start


Note that when I pushed kagami as scum nobody bit, to the point where it seemed like everyone just said she was "lean town" when (imo) the read wasn't deserved
Based off of this I want to feel as if I'm not being pushed at all because I'm paired with Kagami.
In response kagami said she was a little offended that I assumed she was a weak scum player

As for her scumreads, they're jester, gamma, and mhsmith maybe in that order

In response to me she said if mhsmith were scum he'd be spending a low amount of effort sorting out his pt
. . . -This prompted me to ask mhsmith about his pt, to which the response from him and pie was that they hadn't really done anything (pie noted that mhsmith was 'passive')


Just from reading i got a gut townread on pie (not terribly important)
I feel as if mhsmith is mafia. I also feel good about Gamma being mafia

I've come to townread S.A.D and kagami agrees here. We're both "meh" on inspectorscout though it's not something that needs to be sorted immediately.
. . . -Kagami thinks that if mhsmith is scum this pair is very likely t-t


And that's all I have effort to write for now; ended up just being about Kagami... don't regret

To sum up my other reads:

I scumread mhsmith. In fact;
VOTE: Mhsmith-Pieguy

I still scumread gamma pair

Kagami suspects Jester pair
Current thoughts on Kagami pending

Here's my post, where I go into detail on what's going on in our PT. Here are the reactions:

It makes me laugh how much Dunn wants to shine away from lynch either group in me/gamma and Maria/Shadow.

For information alone, lynching these hroups are the only option.

Smith wagon I can agree with. VOTE: mshsmith0 x pieguyn

Jester's town though. Dunn's also town. I think he pretty much townslipped with the daychat thing.

mhsmith-pie needs to be closely scrutinized but it definitely doesn't need to be today when we have shadowmariar, jestermds and vedithgamma all very helpful and informative lynch targets which are all likely to hit scum and every single pair can't be classified as t-t by a longshot.
Dunn's incredible lust to point the wagon literally anywhere else is concerning.

I really think (and parma agrees) that this DP is dragging on without flips. Namely shadow.

Didn't even say much about mhsmith is this post other than the fact that I scumread him

[Dunnstral]

I didn't say what you should be doing. I'm saying I start talking about Kagami and you attempt to discredit me.

[mhsmith0]

Yet you're voting jester

And? I think jester has a realistic chance of flipping red, and see no problem with being on his wagon. Is it your opinion that I should be voting for you or pie at this point then? Or are you going somewhere else with this line of reasoning?

[Dunnstral]

Your line of thinking doesn't make sense. Your push on maria/shadow was bad in a way that you were under pressure and voted the next wagon

[Dunnstral]

If your pair and kagami are scum (which is a possibility I'm considering) then Jester pair is the last place I'd lynch

You seem to be considering the same thing but don't seem to care

[mhsmith0]

I didn't say what you should be doing. I'm saying I start talking about Kagami and you attempt to discredit me.

???
Go through that timing again. Why do you think I was discrediting you as a response to your kagami push?

4124 question on kagami (unanswered btw)
4125 direct response to your post at me
4126 clarifying post
4132 response to your "false dichotomy" bit
4133 response to your accusation
4135 clarifying my position
4137 response to you

How is any of that a "oh shit he's talking about kagami better deflect" bit? You push on me, I push back. That is exactly what happened, somthe idea that it's somehow a weird deflection from kagami discussion is just bizarre.

If your pair and kagami are scum (which is a possibility I'm considering) then Jester pair is the last place I'd lynch

You seem to be considering the same thing but don't seem to care

I'm considering the possibility but don't think pie is scum. So given the logic of "pie!scum probably = jester!town", where I'm not subscribing to the first part, why does my vote not make sense?

[mhsmith0]

Your line of thinking doesn't make sense. Your push on maria/shadow was bad in a way that you were under pressure and voted the next wagon

What actually happened:

I hard pushed pie and had a long back and forth
Then momentum coalesced around jester/mds or shadow/Maria, with momentum shifting towards jester
Then I voted shadow/Maria

You're interpreting it as a survival vote when the momentum wasn't really towards me as an especially likely lynch. Which suggests a lack of thread awareness on your part, or some other theory that you can't be bothered to explain.

You're also not engaging w my voting behavior there other than "well that was next wagon up so it must be survivalistic". What about my vote/push looked survivalistic? "Well it could have been" seems to essentially be where you are, which once again suggests you're being surface-level and lazy in your analysis of me.

[Dunnstral]

So given the logic of "pie!scum probably = jester!town", where I'm not subscribing to the first part, why does my vote not make sense?

You just said you thought I'd be scum if kagami were town

[mhsmith0]

So given the logic of "pie!scum probably = jester!town", where I'm not subscribing to the first part, why does my vote not make sense?

You just said you thought I'd be scum if kagami were town

You mean because town!pie fits with scum!you and scum!pie with scum!kagami or more than that?

[Dunnstral]

You're pushing the pietown mescum thing yet your reasoning for voting jester is "well he has a good chance of being scum too"

[Dunnstral]

By the way jester's last post was before 4 dead guys

MDS, has he been flaking out or was he discussing things overnight?