It's a culmination of things. Not sure how to come out an explain it but we can talk about specific parts if you wantIn post 4168, pieguyn wrote:also, I'm still not sure what your actual reason for scum reading mhsmith at this point is and your recent posts directed to him have been as nitpick-y as your posts directed to me, so I'd like if you could run me through it again.
ignoring me is not an option.In post 4167, pieguyn wrote:first off, you have tried to push me for "making up reasons to lynch other people without outright defending mhsmith". thing with this is, I think I've documented the reasoning behind my scum reads on Jester and Parama pretty well in-thread - I've wanted to lynch Jester for forever, and after S_S' flip, I've covered that I think Parama's pushes this game have all been forced. if you think I'm making up either of these reads then you should be able to argue the point - point out what in my reasoning looks "made up" and try to probe me for more info if you think I haven't explained it well enough.In post 4166, Dunnstral wrote:Pieguy what do you think I've ignored?
also, about my read on mhsmith, I told you in a post specifically directed to you that it's obvious why I have reason to question the read on him if you look at his posts at the end of D1, and you didn't give any response to it. the only thing you even mentioned that was related to this was that you didn't think our interaction was a town tell either way, but again, you don't point out what in my approach looks "made up" or why it's unreasonable for town-me to want to lay off of him for a bit even if I'm not 100% on him being town - the way I approached it was perfectly reasonable and if you were to attempt to bullshit a reason for it being made up you'd look like obvscum, so ignoring it is really your only option if you want to spin the way I'm approaching mhsmith as disingenuous.
instead of attempting to engage me on either of these points, you attempt to nitpick and push over things like pairs not interacting with each other, the fact that I had previously agreed with your mhsmith read (... duh, my read on him is in flux now so obviously I no longer agree with your read), calling my push effectively an OMGUS - and before you ask, no, this is not a scum tell and I think you're a smart enough player to realize that I take issue with the reasoning and behavior with which you're going about the read on me, not just "ur pushing me, ur scum". I've pointed this out, too, the point about OMGUS in particular, and nothing.
second, I've asked you multiple times why it's so problematic for you that I want to lynch Jester's pair and Parama's pair if you had scum reads on them yourself, nothing - this seems like a fairly noticeable contradiction in the mindset with which you're approaching this and I'd still like an answer to it.
no, I just think you're bad at the game.In post 4171, inspectorscout wrote:'Theyre doing the same but I expressed a townread on one of them so I call one of them scummy lazy and the other one just lazy'
This is again you wanting to keep a more consistent thought progression.
First part of your post looks fine. Second part looks like you're setting up for an Arthur vote. Who do you think is more likely scum between Parama and Arthur?In post 4072, Human Sequencer wrote:UNVOTE:
Reclarified stance.
Lynches I'll get behind and why:
Spoiler: Jester/MDS
Spoiler: Arthur/Inspector
Spoiler: Funnstral/Kagami
I still don't understand the smith scumreads at all even after re-evaluation.
Funnstral will push me now that I'm not voting myself, and he probably thinks it was a ploy to make myself look townier after the obvscum push I did yesterday. I understand that my actions have been objectively scummy, but all that happened is that I changed my mind after a sorely needed re-evaluation.
I still strongly believe that one of {parama, arthur} is scum. If it's not arthur, it's 100% Parama.
... are you being deliberately obtuse or are you actually serious?In post 4178, Dunnstral wrote:Then vote me. I don't know what you want me to say. I disagree.
My thoughts don't all coexist together. If you're scum it's possible it's with kagami and 1 other and so your "made up" read is most likely the one you're pushing; jesterIn post 4183, pieguyn wrote:- you keep saying I'm "making up reasons" to push people who aren't mhsmith. which reads/reasons have I made up and why do they come across as made-up?
Didn't you "give him room" overnight? I asked.pieguyn wrote: - why do you find it so difficult to believe I'd want to back off of mhsmith and give him some room, after what happened at the end of D1? don't care if you don't think it was a town tell, I want to know why you find it so difficult to believe that *I* - or anyone else - would think it a good idea to give him room after that.
You calling my reasoning reachy doesn't make it go away. I think What I've been putting forth has been validpieguyn wrote: - what about my push on you is scummy? you're a smart enough player to realize "ur pushing me bc I called u scum" is not a valid reason for anything - I take issue with your read on me because your reasoning is reachy as all hell and you ignore me when I try to explain to you when my read is wrong, which is a fairly typical scum tactic, not because of the fact that you are pushing me and that's it.
hmmpieguyn wrote: ... are you being deliberately obtuse or are you actually serious?
Here's the thing: you said you thought mhsmith was scum, but wanted to lynch shadow to "discuss a scum flip with kagami"pieguyn wrote: - how on earth did you justify claiming it was scummy of me to want to lynch Jester and Parama before mhsmith, when at the time you posted that, *you also wanted to lynch both pairs*? don't care if you've backed off the Jester read now, the fact of the matter is at the point when you posted this angle you were OK with a Jester lynch and it makes no sense to complain that I'm "lining up lynches" when all the pairs I were pushing were pairs you AGREED were scum.
are you seriously going to deny that you're pushing me? you continue to state, in no uncertain terms, "mhsmith/pie isn't town/town", you continue to inject yourself into interactions with people who claim that my pair is town/town, you outright said in 3905 before I even started to interact with you that you didn't like my entrance...In post 4186, Dunnstral wrote:To start with, I began by asking you a question about the people on your wagon. You overreacted and acted like I was throwing shade/pushing on you and refused to answer me and then scumread me.
By the way, that's still valid to look at if you're town.
you are dodging the question. you claim it looks like I'm making up reads - what about my read on Jester looks made up to you?In post 4186, Dunnstral wrote:My thoughts don't all coexist together. If you're scum it's possible it's with kagami and 1 other and so your "made up" read is most likely the one you're pushing; jester
I'm saying that I think the way mhsmith interacted with me end of D1 is a town tell. with that in mind, why is it so surprising that at the current point in the game I'd prefer to leave him for later and lynch elsewhere (people I think are likely to actually flip scum)?In post 4186, Dunnstral wrote:Didn't you "give him room" overnight? I asked.
Not sure where you're going with this - are you saying you needed time to cool off? Okay I guess.
I don't really know what you would have expected us to interact about at that point in the game. there was nothing we weren't in agreement on except for the read on HS, in which case 1. I feel really sure she's town and 2. we agree Parama needs to die at some point anyway, so there's no reason to think too hard about the HS read. I'm curious what she thinks of you in terms of your play, and if you'll notice I did ask her about it. if there are reads in the future that I think we should discuss for some reason or another, then yeah I'll discuss them with her.In post 4186, Dunnstral wrote:Well, he flipped town, and when I ask you about the discussing with kagami bit you start saying things like you're already in agreement anyway and also we shouldn't lynch your pair again
i'm not suredunn wrote:Who do you think is more likely scum between Parama and Arthur?
because it almost certainly isn't false, no way was there 0 scum pushing shadow, and i'm town. beyond that, they're both pushing each other pretty hard.dunn wrote:At that, why are you creating a false dichotomy?
no, i read dunn as pretty town being a little overzealous, and scout as just a little shallow and also town. did i miss anything?In post 4191, pieguyn wrote:HS, what do you think about the pushes on my pair this game day? like, do you get a feeling of "you two are town/town and scum needs to force a lynch on you in any way possible" when you see it?
can you summarize that for me? i want to put stock in your read because you're p town to me (either that or master pocketsmith :<) but i don't see how you could come to that conclusion without my ptchiaki wrote:also if my choices were Parama and SAD, I'd lynch Parama in a heartbeat.
Parama is the one whose push came off as explicitly disingenuous to me. I continue to have no idea how they would have came up with the S_S "scum slip", and it continues to be completely baffling to me that when I asked them about it, the best they could give was "tonally it came off like he KNEW Cv666 was town" and somehow this was supposed to be some smoking gun that made it actually a scum slip and not just an an awkwardly worded question. the rest of their push was just about as bad but that's the part of it that stands out the most to me.In post 4193, Human Sequencer wrote:can you summarize that for me? i want to put stock in your read because you're p town to me (either that or master pocketsmith :<) but i don't see how you could come to that conclusion without my pt
or maybe it's because you townread arthur?
talk me through this and if you have a logical argument for parama you have my vote again
I'm scared out of my fucking mind that this is what's going on, too, but then I think of just how shit his play this entire game has actually been if he *is* town here, and the fact that the him-town world likely has Parama and SAD hard cross bussing each other, and I calm down. ideally they should have been lynched first dance so we wouldn't have had to be sitting here entertaining the possibility someone can somehow play that badly as town.In post 4193, Human Sequencer wrote:i'm terrified jester/mds will flip t/t because a tilted jester who is just sick of this game becomes more realistic the more i think about it
in that situation mds acting lynchbaity isn't even unrealistic because maybe she just wants out of the game without ruining it by replacing. in fact that becomes more realistic the more i think of it.
jester and mds shared a hydra in equilibrium mafia, vedith and i were both in that game, and mariar replaced into jester/MDS' scum slot. vedith read them to a tee as scum, and pushed them pretty hard. jester hid from the game, and at a point mds was the only one posting, relaying jester's play to us all until the slot eventually requested a replacement. sound familiar?In post 4196, pieguyn wrote:I'm scared out of my fucking mind that this is what's going on, too, but then I think of just how shit his play this entire game has actually been if he *is* town here, and the fact that the him-town world likely has Parama and SAD hard cross bussing each other, and I calm down. ideally they should have been lynched first dance so we wouldn't have had to be sitting here entertaining the possibility someone can somehow play that badly as town.In post 4193, Human Sequencer wrote:i'm terrified jester/mds will flip t/t because a tilted jester who is just sick of this game becomes more realistic the more i think about it
in that situation mds acting lynchbaity isn't even unrealistic because maybe she just wants out of the game without ruining it by replacing. in fact that becomes more realistic the more i think of it.
