New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball - [Game Over]

[pieguyn]

can you link me that game?

I wish Vedith was a player who I have ever seen actually post things worth reading as town, because that'd make it a lot easier to have any faith in his ability to read him. in my experience with Vedith (including this game) he obvtowns as town, but a lot of his posts and reads are just incomprehensible and he's usually only correct via coincidence.

[Human Sequencer]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=69331

[pieguyn]

(my experience with Vedith also includes a game where I was scum, he hard town read me the entire game and eventually misvoted in LYLO, so that's a pretty huge part of why I assess his play the way I do. yes, he said he had never seen me-scum before...)

p-edit: grazie.

[Human Sequencer]

i used his townread on dunn to carry last micro dance game because i had no idea what to make of dunn, but on the other hand the mafia were so mafia they pretty much claimed scum in every post
sickofit literally asked parama who they were nightkilling in their lovers pt (scumSick, townParama)

[pieguyn]

I'm looking through that and son of a bitch. Vedith's initial scum read on their slot for MDS's posts came for reasoning that I can't understand at all, but then when Jester started posting Vedith's read on him actually seemed OK (not the kind of thing I imagine I would notice if I was actually in the game, but it does seem OK in hindsight), and he called out Jester hiding from him pretty much immediately. the other thing I see is that Jester's reaction to being called out for that was... nothing, which is in complete contrast to here (might not mean much because hydra slot, but even if he was in a hydra and had the ability to fake the posts he would have faked in this game if he is scum in response to being called out for his activity, why *not* do it there too?).

I fucking hate this game.

[pieguyn]

@MDS,

is Jester's preferred alignment scum or town?

[Human Sequencer]

pie, pretend for a second dunn is an IC
is parama still scum?

[pieguyn]

I think so. I'm not sure what you're getting at.

[Human Sequencer]

i'm trying to sheep you

i think parama/arthur cross-bussing each other isn't even unlikely at this point, i know i said they were opposite alignments earlier but i didn't even consider scum/scum

a world where jester/mds is t/t is a world where my reads are probably entirely different

VOTE: Parama

[Human Sequencer]

there's two t/t pairs left
i'm not so sure smith is town if jester/mds is t/t which again makes more sense the more i think about it

i absolutely believe parama is the best lynch here
kagami's interaction with the mds wagon today is horrible, keep that in mind

smith, i'm considering gamethrowing :^)

jks i'd never do it but it's been on my mind this whole day phase

[pieguyn]

kagami's interaction with the mds wagon today is horrible, keep that in mind

I agree that Jester/MDS being town means Kagami is scum (which would probably also make Dunn town but doesn't matter at that point).

I have no idea if I'd pick SAD/scout or my pair as the other town pair. I need to actually stop and think some more.

[Human Sequencer]

i stagnate if i think by myself (eg: shadow), i need to bounce ideas around
i've made more progress talking to you tonight than i have all game
good luck find scum plz then i'll just sheep you

[Human Sequencer]

also can anybody explain this search result for me
i was trying to get the formatting for this right (it still didn't work in the end)

[pieguyn]

holy crap kill this with fire

okay yeah
calling it now: MDS/Jester T/T 100%
SAD + Kagami + smith I guess?

HS, how do you reconcile this post (or rather Parama's general approach displayed in this post) if the view of the game we're building is correct?

I can reconcile it - it's actually not a hard post for scum to make as it could be them attempting to 1. pick up cred after a MDS/Jester town flip if the lynch lands on Jester, 2. generate false associatives if the lynch lands on them (and hopefully coerce town into chaining it into a Jester lynch anyway), but I want to know if you agree/disagree.

[inspectorscout]

pie mhsmith contains scum

[Human Sequencer]

that post looks towny as fuck to me. on the other hand, i was pushing kagami pretty hard for that, and i don't think anybody can argue that kagami's posts there were scummy as fuck. so it might be another attempt to pocket my by sharing my reads.

as town: parama is trying to solve the game, reads mds/jester as T/T and is legitimately unsure on smith's role.
as scum: parama is trying to potentially double-bus the scumteam for towncred and throws smith in there as the final mislynch plan. this is really fucking risky because at this point i'm still unsure on his slot and he knows this, so i could suicide if his bus lynches go through even if he gets insane towncred for it.
parama reads as a very logical and calculating player regardless of alignment, i don't think number 2 really makes any sense at all.

that's my thoughts on that post in particular.

[Human Sequencer]

on the other hand town is pretty set on the idea that scum is in pie/smith so it wouldn't be a hard mislynch to pull off at all.
overall i'm not so sure bussing is something likely to come from parama, but daytalk changes that drastically.

[Human Sequencer]

i would get behind a kagami lynch is we didn't lynch dunn at the same time. i think even though he's being overzealous he can absolutely win the game for us with enough information which is partly why i don't mind taking the bullet today
that martyrism fades as i become more unsure on parama, though.

i know i'm flip-flopping a lot but clearly my playstyle earlier in the game wasn't working so i'm trying to play differently today.

[inspectorscout]

parama is trying to potentially double-bus

Doesn't this by nature assume that your other scumreads are correct?

Why are you planning shit conspiracy theories when the simple reason could be "you're wrong"?
Btw yes i scumread overcomplexication like this because it's throwing a shitton of wifom

Also

lynch mhsmith

Listen to signguy

[Human Sequencer]

>potentially
i don't see much reason for scumParama to post that unless SAD and Kagami are both scum, can you see a motivation there that i missed? if so, please share

[inspectorscout]

>potentially
i don't see much reason for scumParama to post that unless SAD and Kagami are both scum, can you see a motivation there that i missed? if so, please share

Why can't scum!parama include 2 town-townpairs and 1 scum-townpair? What on earth makes you think that those are scum if parama is scum, but not mhsmith? If you believe she's double bussing, why can't she have just bussed mhsmith until now?

I am definitely not seeing your reasoning here. At the very least it's not sane.

[Human Sequencer]

if parama is scum i don't see any motivation to out the T/T pair of mds/jester unless she's setting up towncredit. T/T pairs terrify scum, remember?
now before you call me a conspiracy theorist, remember that pie asked for my opinion specifically on the gamestate in which jester/mds is town

i don't believe she's doublebussing, in fact i literally said i don't think that's what parama would do PLEASE READ

[Human Sequencer]

"Why can't scum!parama include 2 town-townpairs and 1 scum-townpair?"
because in a world with jester/mds town there is only one other town/town pairs
am i still insane my friend
am i

there is literally no reality where scumParama is not doublebussing with that post unless she's scumreading me which she isn't

[inspectorscout]

But



Okay then.

LYNCH PIESMITH

I'm bad at mafia so I'm allowed to do this. This is also exactly how the shadow lynch went.

[Human Sequencer]

what does that post even mean