New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball - [Game Over]

[Dunnstral]

We'll see who actually is the VI in the end.

Not it

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

also, it is reasonable that she would hold the belief that no one cares about her reads when she's been pushing Jester-town the entire game and no one except Vedith gave her any time of day about this read.

No - not really. There's a difference between not agreeing with something and not caring about something. Just because people don't agree with her reads, people still were commenting about it and trying to engage with her. I don't feel like her jump from giving reads -> please lynch me to be genuine, it feels fabricated. The AtE part I have much less of a problem with, it really doesn't concern me that much, it's more of a playstyle thing (of course if you're ~only~ using AtE to the exclusion of trying to figure the game out that's a different matter of talk - and which applies to MDS).

Who do you think would be most likely scum with jester?

if Jester is scum, I think it's Jester, Parama, +1.

I mean between a null read that's been inactive and a person that's actively trying to push another mislynch on account of made up bs it's pretty obvious who you should go for. You can make the association and relationship hunt after a scumflip, but right now it's extremely important we lynch a person who has the highest chance of flipping scum so we don't enter lylo.

[Dunnstral]

Who do you think would be most likely scum with jester?

if Jester is scum, I think it's Jester, Parama, +1.

+this for what I just said

[pieguyn]

thing is if we go through with the Jester lynch and it's town, then we probably just lose.

That's what I've been saying.

So why are you voting Jester, instead of Parama group?

I think you must not be reading my posts.

I unvoted Jester as soon as I started to get weirded out on it and I realized going through with it only for them to flip town/town would lead to a loss, since then I've been attempting to figure out where to go.

[Dunnstral]

since then I've been attempting to figure out where to go.

It sounds like you've already figured it out.

[Dunnstral]

Kagami what do you think? About The Parama pair being our best lynch as opposed to jester pair

[Dunnstral]

scout - in time my friend follow up

[pieguyn]

I am not committing to anything in any direction until I feel mostly sure that it is correct.

[Dunnstral]

Your indecision will lead you to ruin

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

What's the issue with SAD? I was liking him on review.

I'm liking myself too!

he's said a lot, but when I actually look at it from the top I'm a bit concerned about the way he focused almost entirely on MDS and S_S' pair to the near exclusion of any other push and I'm a bit concerned that I could be biasing towards him because he posts in a very logical style that resonates with me a lot.

Do I tend to tunnel a bit on people? Yes. But were those my strongest scumreads at that point? Yes. I actively keep a tier list of people in my head whenever I'm playing a game, it's not that I ~ignore~ people. It's just that people in the top or in the middle null pile do not interest me enough, unless I catch something from their posts that I want to comment on. I'm always reevaluating reads when I read, but usually I like just reading the interactions with people and focusing on the people I want to push, or interaction with people who are scumreading me. It was extremely boring during the first day because a lot of people were waving me as town, and I hate that because it narrows down the people I am interested in interacting with.

[inspectorscout]

scout - in time my friend follow up

What if I'm pushing dunnscum's agenda right now

[inspectorscout]

We'll see who actually is the VI in the end.

Not it

The
F.

[Kagami]

Kagami what do you think? About The Parama pair being our best lynch as opposed to jester pair

Depends on the plausibility of more exotic scenarios, such as teams including MDS rather than jester. We're at a pretty critical juncture here and I'd rather not rush it.

Parama as scum-with-jester implies a very greedy strategy, which is something to think about.

[Kagami]

Specifically, that the mystery +1 is in pie/smith or is HS/MDS.

[Dunnstral]

We'll see who actually is the VI in the end.

Not it

The
F.

scout - in time my friend follow up

What if I'm pushing dunnscum's agenda right now

I'm voting HS-Parama pal

[Dunnstral]

We're at a pretty critical juncture here

Agreed

Which is why I'm not ok with the jester pair lynch, even though I've got suspicions there

[pieguyn]

like here's the fucking thing.

let's suppose that Parama is in fact scum, and MDS/Jester does in fact contain exactly one scum.

I still have no idea where in {mhsmith, SAD, Kagami, Dunn} the last scum is. but that's exactly the thing: all of these people seem to be OK with a Parama lynch, so regardless of configuration, scum clearly are 100% OK with the Parama lynch. and then I think, why are scum so OK with bussing at this point in the game?

the best I could see it work is if Dunn is the last scum. if that's the case this all still makes sense because Dunn has gone out of his way to link Parama's pair and my pair as having "never interacted" (which is a shit associative in general except for newer players, but it's even worse when you try to blanket apply it to entire pairs instead of focusing on individual interactions), he has expressed that he'd rather not lynch Jester for the time being, and he's attempting to force a push on my pair for reasons that are as nebulous as the aforementioned associative (if you read his last post closely, you will note that he claimed I was "overreacting and acting like he was pushing me", then in his next post he agrees he was pushing me...) so bussing here makes sense to 1. distract from the Jester lynch and then 2. chain the lynch into my pair when my pair might have otherwise been significantly hard to lynch. you can claim there are people scum reading my pair but as it stands, it does not go anywhere without something drastic happening.

apart from that, though, I can't think of anything and I find myself thinking that there's just something all off here.

[Kagami]

I would think smith rather than dunn, but dunn is possible.

If Dunn, that would mean jester did an unusual-ish thing in putting me as the scumread in our pair, which seems counterintuitive. He also doesn't have any clear indication that he's going to be the one who goes the distance, such that bussing makes a lot of sense.

[pieguyn]

I think in the current gamestate, if that was to be the scum team, Dunn would be the person in the best position to carry out of all of them. Parama isn't likely to make it to endgame, and if it wasn't obvious overnight it definitely would have been as soon as D2 opened and you had half the game calling them scum, and barring something drastic, Jester pair isn't making it to endgame because duh. Dunn on the other hand would have the best hold in the game out of all of them atm. the same argument probably applies no matter who the last scum is, ftr, but it doesn't give me nay reason to question Dunn.

would mhsmith be POE at that point, or?

[pieguyn]

*any

[Dunnstral]

pieguy ignoring that I also linked kagami to that (MY PAIR)

[Dunnstral]

"overreacting and acting like he was pushing me", then in his next post he agrees he was pushing me...)

I wasn't pushing you when I asked you the question early in the day. How is that hard to understand?

[Dunnstral]

I do think parama's agression and just posting whatever is on her mind is townie, although i kind of dislike her case on arthur.

"aggression" and "posting whatever is on their mind" aren't good reasons to seriously town read someone at this point in the game.

Alright. Why should people be town reading you at this point in the game?
After all, isn't "aggression" and "posting whatever is on their mind" your game so far?


Follow-up question: Who's townreading you, and what's your opinion on them

This isn't pushing on you.

I'm saying if you're town, you likely have scum townreading you, and you should think about that group. After this you called me scum and ignored the question

[pieguyn]

@mhsmith/pieguy did you guys discuss things overnight?

not really. the most substantive discussion we had over the night phase was mhsmith hoping we'd die and us agreeing that Cv666's strategy was stupid.

So why the sudden shift?

How come yesterday you two were gung-ho on each other but today you both want to lynch multiple other people

Where I'm at right now:

HS/Parama top lynch
Mhsmith/Pieguy close second

Would lynch either of those two

at a distant third I have Jester pair

And then we'll see from there. Evaluate Kagami and Scout pair if needed

how do you possibly justify keeping Jester alive?

There are two pairs that are scummier

I didn't say I thought jester pair was town. They're my third choice for a lynch. Kagami really wants to lynch that pair as well.

I think the first two pairs I mentioned definitely contain scum. Even if that scum ends up being you. I haven't liked your entrance into today.

Saying you want to lynch a bunch of other people before your pair doesn't exactly inspire confidence. I thought you wanted to lynch Shadow because you wanted to discuss with Kagami? There seems to be a mutual lack of that

for one, Kagami has already commented on my reads and said we were mostly on the same page.

we don't seem to strongly disagree on anyone besides HS, and we seem to agree on Parama regardless, so... /shrug

don't really know what your point here is

Looks like you're making up reasons to lynch other people without outright defending mhsmith (which you can't really do if you're scum and he's town since his scumminess levels were way up there)

YES, YES.

GO ON, EXPLAIN HOW YOU WEREN'T PUSHING ME AND HOW YOUR BEHAVIOR CLEARLY SUGGESTS YOU AREN'T ATTEMPTING TO TIE PARAMA'S PAIR AND MY PAIR TOGETHER.

[pieguyn]

ALL OF THOSE POSTS,

BEFORE

YOUR "QUESTION" TO ME.

YOUR MOVE.