New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball - [Game Over]

[inspectorscout]

Let's imagine dunn is scum, scout is scum, kagami is town. Who do you think is most likely to be scummo #3?

Come on, stop the bussing.

[Parama]

hang on a second.

does Dunn/Jester/SAD make sense? I think Kagami suggested this earlier but ugh I need to look at it again because if mhsmith is town and HS/Parama is town then the HS/Parama lynch is a game throw.

no it doesnt. Sad and Jester aren't scum together. No way.

[inspectorscout]

Unless you think I'm really good at faking villagery tone as a wolf (which is news to anyone who's seen me wolf).

yeah OK so since you brought this up I want to talk about this.

a lot of the reason I just don't see mhsmith as scum here is that from what I've seen of him, he's on record as a player who doesn't like playing scum and used to think his scum game was abysmal and that it was something that he needed to improve upon. as someone who is basically the same in terms of just not liking playing as scum, I was in this exact spot like 2 years ago and I know just how hard it actually is for someone who just can't put their heart into scum games to keep their engagement up and actively stay invested in the game and (most importantly) fake the emotional state that they usually get into when they're town. I've improved my scum game a lot since then and I've gotten better at faking engagement, but I'm still just never fully "there" when I'm scum and mhsmith definitely seems "here" this game. the interaction with me D1, he seemed "here", his play this game day he seems much more "here" than his play early D1 which initially caused me to suspect him.

so like... yeah, maybe he just played a really good scum game, but do I feel any confidence getting him unless it's like Parama is scum and it's our pair vs. SAD's pair at a 4p endgame? not really.

I'm just terrified.

Maybe you misread your role PM?

Btw he doesn't seem 'here' at all, he's been nitpicking and choosing arguments that don't contribute to anything. He's been arguing with me for god knows how long, but I'm still in his townreads. Natural? ...

[Kagami]

I am interested in his conclusion, though I find the *words* pretty annoying.

[mhsmith0]

Frustration is a shade of anger. It's not hard to fake - just get into pointless arguments and it comes for free. Like these.

Genuineness = believing in what you are doing
It's hard to put under words how exactly you can see that, which is what I'm telling you.

Because you're bad at reading tone? Here, take an example
http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/sea ... hid=680528
here, Titus (town) spent most of the game tunnelling me (town), and was largely mocked and ignored for her efforts. She kept at it, because she believed in it, and it was really obvious that she believed in it, and that's why she was town. That's an easy example of "genuine" - she was under pressure from people who thought she was full of it (including absorbing votes at one point IIRC, as well as having soah basically light into her for how badly she was playing, including him eventually flat-out writing her off as "bad town"), and stuck to her guns in a pretty honest way instead of slinking off to an easier target. That was ACTUALLY genuine, and it came across pretty clearly. Here you say "genuine" but can't describe why you see it and seem to have no real interest in the kind of self-reflection that would actually lead to a better understanding and the ability to be convincing about your read. So if you're town, why don't you actually try? It can't be THAT hard, can it?

[mhsmith0]

Btw he doesn't seem 'here' at all, he's been nitpicking and choosing arguments that don't contribute to anything. He's been arguing with me for god knows how long, but I'm still in his townreads. Natural? ...

ooh! ooh! I bet it's because Smith thinks you're really bad town, but is still suspicious that you're a wolf just pretending to be that! And that his postings are consistent with that perspective!

[mhsmith0]

Btw he doesn't seem 'here' at all, he's been nitpicking and choosing arguments that don't contribute to anything. He's been arguing with me for god knows how long, but I'm still in his townreads. Natural? ...

ooh! ooh! I bet it's because Smith thinks you're really bad town, but is still suspicious that you're a wolf just pretending to be that! And that his postings are consistent with that perspective!

and THAT post had actual genuine emotion in it, in this case condescension and contempt. it's easy to pick up because it bleeds all over the page.

[pieguyn]

Let's imagine dunn is scum, scout is scum, kagami is town. Who do you think is most likely to be scummo #3?

scout-scum is a difficult assumption for me since I think his play looks very town, but I can say definitely not mhsmith with the way both of them have been railing on my pair today.

I think it'd probably be in Jester's pair, since I don't really know why Dunn takes the approach he did towards Parama/HS and me today if it's Parama. I think if he's aiming to distract from a lynch on Jester's pair it'd make sense for him to force the reads on HS and me in the way that he's been doing, but if the Jester pair is town/town along with my pair, he doesn't need to bother with the entire "bus Parama and chain lynch my pair" plan I've been suggesting earlier, he could easily just mislynch both our pairs.

[Kagami]

So we're once again on the same page, though more "not your pair" because he really wanted to lynch smith yesterday. I would say Dunn-scum strongly implies Piesmith is T-T

[Kagami]

So let's say we're T-T, what does that mean.

I think it makes sad-scout the other T-T.

[pieguyn]

So let's say we're T-T, what does that mean.

I think it makes sad-scout the other T-T.

also in agreement here, I think.

if you two were to be town/town, I'd probably go back and subscribe to the Jester/Parama gamestate, with mhsmith as the +1.

[Dunnstral]

O Kagami, would you grace our pt with your presence

[pieguyn]

is there any configuration where this game works at all with both our pairs as town/town?

[Kagami]

Contemplating the benefits of suicide, but I would require that jester-MDS dies first on a dunn town-flip, and sadscout survives to the end unless someone unexpected flips scum.

[Dunnstral]

is there any configuration where this game works at all with both our pairs as town/town?

Yeah.

[Dunnstral]

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[Dunnstral]

quote messed up but yea

[pieguyn]

also, ftr, at this point I feel mostly safe with you as town unless you've long-conned me in some way that I have not thought about.

[pieguyn]

so like if you and Dunn are scum and your strategy was just to hard manipulate me by doing all of this, and then use me town reading you to pick a lynch order where you two can endgame, then kudos.

[Kagami]

If smith and dunn are both town, then we're looking at probably SAD-Jester-Parama. Does that seem plausible?

[Dunnstral]

O Kagami, would you grace our pt with your presence

[pieguyn]

If smith and dunn are both town, then we're looking at probably SAD-Jester-Parama. Does that seem plausible?

it would definitely add some hilarity to Parama's most recent post.

as a more serious answer, I have no idea OTOH, I was hoping you would know. ._. it would mean SAD has basically been attempting to bus both his partners all game if that's the gamestate we're in.

[pieguyn]

SAD/Jester/Parama would mean that the scum team has been going for a mass-distancing approach the entire game, probably with the goal of getting SAD to endgame.

it's what the scum team the last game did, so I wouldn't rule it out, but... ugh.

[pieguyn]

actually hang on.

it would mean SAD and Parama went for a mass-distancing play, whereas Jester went and decided to put them both in his town pile (1064, 1911).

this seems kind of ??? to me.

[Dunnstral]

weirded out