Mini Normal 1857 (Game Over - Mafia Wins!)

[JaeReed]

VC 3.03

shannon (2)

: Titus, Drone

Titus (2)

: ssbm_Kyouko, TTTT

Drone (1)

: Sesq

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, Raskolnikov, gerryoat, shannon

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2017-01-03 16:47:00)

[TTTT]

The player discrediting an ascetic result, yet knowing I was not blocked, makes sense for the partner.

hold up.
who and where did someone say they knew you weren't blocked?

[Titus]

I had to read up on the ascetic thing, and OK, it makes sense as a role modifier that could give 'no result' to the GS investigation. Are there any other roles that could do the same? Is ascetic necessarily scum, or just more likely in the current scenario?

Prima facie I'd say that we should ask for a claim from whoever Titus' target was, and then discuss whether it's plausible and lynch the hell out of it if not. If the target flips town with no modifier that would suggest a no result, then Titus is a no-brainer lynch the next day.




I'm clearly out of the loop here, can anyone explain?

VOTE: Shannon

Why leave out I was roleblocked?

[TTTT]

VOTE: Titus
something isn't right

yep

[TTTT]

@Titus
you brought up ascetic
shannon discussed it and said, "Are there any other roles that could do the same?"
I don't at all believe that 2140 is shannon "discrediting an ascetic result, yet knowing I was not blocked"

[Titus]

Great. Keep your dunce cap.

[TTTT]

I'm almost at that point where I lock in a scum-read and spend the rest of the day whining and acting stupid until I get my way
almost at that point

[ssbm_Kyouko]

OK imma hand out my spare dunce caps to Shannon and Sesq and maybe Gerry can have one too later but for now dunce caps need to stand united

[Raskolnikov]

Well rip.
This is why you don't prioritize lynching in the PR claims.

[shannon]

@Titus here's a simpler explanation: The people throwing theories around first were just the first ones back online...

[shannon]

I can't tell whether Titus believes this stuff she's spouting or whether she's scum

[Raskolnikov]

Waiting a day would've forced a kill in the group if titus is town (likely) and failing that there'd have been a result to look at as 2 people couldn't claim no-result.

Personally I even think waiting till massclaim and judging based on the setup power is super broken strat, people either have to be CC'd (easy choices) or end up confirmed, idk why no one ever does that though.

[Titus]

Well rip.
This is why you don't prioritize lynching in the PR claims.

And why Shannon is scum.

[Raskolnikov]

So overall I'm not sure that JOAT + 2-s follower is enough investigation tools.
1 jailkeep, 1 gunsmith and 2 follows altogether is maybe 1 cop's worth of investigation power.

UB isn't really invest but I'd still count it towards that from the longer lifespan it'd give either.

Then there's either strongman or RB confirmed via n1, assuming transcend BP'd (which the JK claim 100% suggests) which is scum power on the other side.

Unless there's an invest CC I wouldn't even consider titus lynch here.

[shannon]

I'm wikiing around looking at other options for Titus being genuine:

We could have a rolestopper who targeted the same player as her last night

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Rolestopper

[TTTT]

Ok, I am telling Drone my target. I am reasonably confident my target is scum with the jumping out of the wood work to attack me.

I am explicitly asking he keep it quiet until midday.

what was the purpose of waiting until this point to tell Drone your target?
I get why town!you doesn't give it up at night
but why not at day start?
This just looks like scum waiting to see which way to take the narrative
explain town reason for this

[Raskolnikov]

That said it's more likely titus was roleblocked than targeted ascetic.
Ascetic COULD exist and fits JK (not unreasonable) but follower flip suggests against it. Makes follower almost a non-factor and titus being roleblocked as claimed pr feels more likely than out of all targets she hit an ascetic.

[Titus]

Ok, I am telling Drone my target. I am reasonably confident my target is scum with the jumping out of the wood work to attack me.

I am explicitly asking he keep it quiet until midday.

what was the purpose of waiting until this point to tell Drone your target?
I get why town!you doesn't give it up at night
but why not at day start?
This just looks like scum waiting to see which way to take the narrative
explain town reason for this

Waiting for evidence of town Drone before trusting him.

My target can only have 1 partner.

[Raskolnikov]

Here's what I don't get, shannon how are you against titus saying her target is scum based on a no-result without knowing who the target is?

I can see people's problems with just the attitude, who HAVEN'T seen town-titus before but you remembering that from your game we literally went over yesterday and you admitted it was the same.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Ok, I am telling Drone my target. I am reasonably confident my target is scum with the jumping out of the wood work to attack me.

I am explicitly asking he keep it quiet until midday.

what was the purpose of waiting until this point to tell Drone your target?
I get why town!you doesn't give it up at night
but why not at day start?
This just looks like scum waiting to see which way to take the narrative
explain town reason for this

Waiting for evidence of town Drone before trusting him.

My target can only have 1 partner.

If your target can only have 1 partner why don't you just out your scumteam theory and tell us your target later at least? Give us something because you sound exactly like TTTT says, scum waiting to see which way to take the narrative

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Here's what I don't get, shannon how are you against titus saying her target is scum based on a no-result without knowing who the target is?

I can see people's problems with just the attitude, who HAVEN'T seen town-titus before but you remembering that from your game we literally went over yesterday and you admitted it was the same.

How can you imply that Titus saying her target is scum based on a no-result would be something that a townie with the information we have would support?

[Raskolnikov]

Read the game I linked yesterday.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

It's 84 pages long and I'm in a lot of games already, is there something specific you're trying to show me?

[Titus]

Ok, I am telling Drone my target. I am reasonably confident my target is scum with the jumping out of the wood work to attack me.

I am explicitly asking he keep it quiet until midday.

what was the purpose of waiting until this point to tell Drone your target?
I get why town!you doesn't give it up at night
but why not at day start?
This just looks like scum waiting to see which way to take the narrative
explain town reason for this

Waiting for evidence of town Drone before trusting him.

My target can only have 1 partner.

If your target can only have 1 partner why don't you just out your scumteam theory and tell us your target later at least? Give us something because you sound exactly like TTTT says, scum waiting to see which way to take the narrative

My target is told to Drone. Unless you see Drone and me scum, it ain't changing.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

But I do see you 2 as scum which is why I'm suspicious of the fact that neither of you will say anything. I've already suggested that you 2 are scum this day phase I think