New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball - [Game Over]

[mhsmith0]

PS @Kagami:

What do you think of Parama's push on your unvote/revote (I remember you said a while ago that you wanted to kill everyone who bitched about it, but I'm curious about what she'd said there in particular and her stated reasoning). Like, not so much do you agree (duh) but do you think it's even a reasonable read to make in the first place.

[Kagami]

"I don't like this, must be scum" happens all the time.

[Kagami]

The path of non-suicide leaves a good chance of my being lynched if the first lynch is a miss, so I don't see it as wildly different.

There remains the chance that dunn is actually scum.

[mhsmith0]

So if you think that's null on her end (and anyone else who pushed on that), then where did

Would be nice if there was some way I could just kill everyone who complained about 4081-4085.

I can barely read games on the weekend and VCs don't happen often, not super complicated.

come from? Just irritation at anyone who pushed on you for it? It kinda felt like more than that when I'd read it.

[mhsmith0]

The path of non-suicide leaves a good chance of my being lynched if the first lynch is a miss, so I don't see it as wildly different.

There remains the chance that dunn is actually scum.

Well, the difference would basically be if dunn is town and parama is scum. Parama getting lynched first in that case means that dunn probably is then town FYPOV if I read it right? In which case not reaching LYLO via suicide would seem like the much better approach, unless I'm missing something important?

[Parama]

Nobody has suggested any really plausible counter-configuration for the kagami-plan, including parama who should really be the most capable and invested, so I'm kind of inclined to just go with it.

What configuration in particular

I already said I disagree with any plan where sad lives so

[Kagami]

your SAD configuration includes someone from my pair, so SAD wouldn't live.

[mhsmith0]

"I don't like this, must be scum" happens all the time.

I guess I'm seeing a bit of a disconnect between that and

4095 has nice explanations for scum-parama, but is awkward for town-parama

, as it assumes I'm not simply bussing them, which is also the superficial explanation for 4071.

And yes, disagree re:HS. I think you're overvalue-ing "self-voting" as a town-indicator, especially just after a timeout.

Did something change your mind there? Or am I missing something that connects the picture?

[Kagami]

If you want to agree with my 4286, go for it. If you have something to add, go ahead.

[Kagami]

You asked me if it's a reasonable read, I said it happens regardless of reasonableness. Why are you asking me to support your 4913 by agreeing with myself?

[Parama]

what configuration in particular are you talking about then

[mhsmith0]

Well, basically I'm at "it looks like she jumped on something vaguely scummy and substituted seeming emotional fervor for having any substance to the read, and now she is refusing to explain why it's scummy (4110 is a description of what happened without an explanation of why it's actually indicative of anything)", and I'm trying to see if she was actually tripped up there (i.e. there just isn't an explanation for something reachy she did) or if I'm reading too much into it. Which is kinda why I want people to weigh in on it, especially given that it's at least something of a new topic of discussion (it had briefly been discussed a couple times but kept getting shunted aside)

I'm also not sure where you stand on it, since stuff like "it happens regardless of reasonableness" suggests that you actually think it's null on her end, rather than being reachy in a meaningful way. Or am I misreading you again?

[Kagami]

I care only about the following: Kagami suicides, dunn flips town. Which pair makes it to endgame?

If you say "Not Sad-scout," (or as a corollary, HS-Parama pair), then I would like to evaluate whether your proposal makes more sense than sad-scout lives. This means some triplet of scum chosen from {pie, smith, jester, mds, sad, scout}

[Kagami]

4110

[Kagami]

What parama said there is an accurate description of what I did. She claimed she misread what happened, which is not a crazy impossibility.

[Parama]

I care only about the following: Kagami suicides, dunn flips town. Which pair makes it to endgame?

If you say "Not Sad-scout," (or as a corollary, HS-Parama pair), then I would like to evaluate whether your proposal makes more sense than sad-scout lives. This means some triplet of scum chosen from {pie, smith, jester, mds, sad, scout}

if your pair flips town then my pair is the only one i know is town-town for sure but #2 would be pie-smith i guess.
i'd be questioning if sad-scout was scum/scum more than anything else tbh because jester/smith/sad doesn't make a ton of sense to me
but scum/scum is also really unlikely

[Kagami]

Well, one of those unlikely things would have to be happening if your pair is indeed T-T, so what do you think is the most likely?

[mhsmith0]

4110

What parama said there is an accurate description of what I did. She claimed she misread what happened, which is not a crazy impossibility.

It's a description of what happened; my question is why it seems scummy, much less "kill this with fire" worthy.

Also, can you clarify what you mean when you say that she claimed she misread it? What did she misread and where did she say that? 4110 is her telling me that I was misreading it; was that what you meant?

[Dunnstral]

Kagami I'm ready

If we're doing this let's do it

[Dunnstral]

Though I insist that jester-mds is the pair we leave alive because they're our best shot of winning while scout-sad likely holds scum.

[Dunnstral]

You could say I'm Dunn with this game

[mhsmith0]

Is this you being lock sure parama is scum, and ditto SAD (or scout)? I just don't see why you'd rather suicide than actually go through the process of pushing through a lynch here? Is it just that the game has drained you? More than that?

[Dunnstral]

I just don't see why you'd rather suicide

I wouldn't and won't. I'm just prepared for Kagami doing it.

[Dunnstral]

Nobodies following my lynch path anyway and it gets tiring going on about it and nobody listening

[Kagami]

At this point I just want smith to die for his reckless wasting of precious words.