New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball - [Game Over]

[mhsmith0]

At this point I just want smith to die for his reckless wasting of precious words.

well at least pushing me would be better than suiciding.

[mhsmith0]

I just don't see why you'd rather suicide

I wouldn't and won't. I'm just prepared for Kagami doing it.

Nobodies following my lynch path anyway and it gets tiring going on about it and nobody listening

^that also seems somewhat villagery by Dunn. Part of me thinks it's potential ATE with his neck potentially on the line but it still feels honest to me.

[mhsmith0]

Dunn, can you talk about SAD/scout a bit more? In particular, It seems like you think scout is potential scum there; what in particular makes you think scum instead of just lazy/bad town?

[Kagami]

At this point I just want smith to die for his reckless wasting of precious words.

well at least pushing me would be better than suiciding.

I've already said that you die when Dunn flips town and pie agreed. Unfortunately, it looks like parama-pair has to die second.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Wait seriously flipping Dunn/Kagami before Parama.

What fucking world am I living in.

[Kagami]

I found the awkward distancing from parama slightly more entertaining than this latest route to smith- survival, though.

[Dunnstral]

Dunn, can you talk about SAD/scout a bit more? In particular, It seems like you think scout is potential scum there; what in particular makes you think scum instead of just lazy/bad town?

SAD is also potential scum. Bussing exists and he's not really engaging in anything beyond his tunnel. Once again, bussing exists and I explained that parama isn't really trying to save themself.

Also possible that scout is scum. When I mentioned we should kill parama pair --> scout pair he freaked out and called me scum (and his argument there is something like I wouldn't 'namedrop' as town) even though by his own suspicions of SAD he should be ok with it.

He then "threatened" to suicide saying if his pair had scum in it I was scum (what he says didn't make sense but he never intended to suicide anyway - just hot air)

[Dunnstral]

Well, mhsmith is preparing for me to flip town.

[mhsmith0]

I've already said that you die when Dunn flips town and pie agreed. Unfortunately, it looks like parama-pair has to die second.

I still fail to see why, if you're decently sure dunn is town, you're not just pushing the people you want us to lynch after said town flip. Or, for that matter, why you think that I, as scum, would ever be bothered by trading a town suicide that turns the game into LYLO for a scum lynch that still means town needs to run the table to win the game.

Part of me just thinks this is a scam of some sort, and you're just looking to be "convinced" not to suicide, but since you've actually been on the "suicide is totally a good idea guys" bandwagon most of the game, I guess you actually probably mean it. All I can say is it's a really bad idea, for all the reasons I've already discussed. I don't really want to get into a yelling match about it again, you already know what I think and why I think it.

[Dunnstral]

At this point I just want smith to die for his reckless wasting of precious words.

well at least pushing me would be better than suiciding.

Also preparing to argue that kagami shouldn't have suicided and now town's in a perilous position but jester must be scum

Don't let him do that

[mhsmith0]

Well, mhsmith is preparing for me to flip town.

And is trying to get kagami not to suicide, almost like he's starting to think you're town and kagami may be about to blow the game.

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: mhsmith0-pieguyn

[mhsmith0]

Also preparing to argue that kagami shouldn't have suicided and now town's in a perilous position but jester must be scum

Don't let him do that

If you flip town, I would always argue that kagami shouldn't have suicided and that town's now in a perilous position.

"but jester must be scum", though, isn't something that I've been leading towards; why do you think I have been?

[Dunnstral]

And is trying to get kagami not to suicide

I don't see where you did that.

[Dunnstral]

"but jester must be scum", though, isn't something that I've been leading towards; why do you think I have been?

Huh?

So who's scum then?

If my pair isn't scum, and your pair isn't scum, and jester pair isn't scum...?

3 scum in sad/scout/parma/hs ?

[Dunnstral]

And it's because you've been on jester with your vote all day and you only unvoted him because I said something about him flaking out.

[mhsmith0]

And is trying to get kagami not to suicide

I don't see where you did that.

Spoiler: where i did that (other than "throughout the game" as a general process)

And is trying to get kagami not to suicide

I don't see where you did that.

Most likely non-dunn group (and I'm inclined to think dunn town if for no reason other than his insistence that he gets to decide something if I suicide) remains Smith-Jester-Parama to my mind.

Nobody has suggested any really plausible counter-configuration for the kagami-plan, including parama who should really be the most capable and invested, so I'm kind of inclined to just go with it.

If you're leaning that dunn is town, what's the downside of pushing harder on parama, me or jester vs suiciding on dunn?

PS @Kagami:

What do you think of Parama's push on your unvote/revote (I remember you said a while ago that you wanted to kill everyone who bitched about it, but I'm curious about what she'd said there in particular and her stated reasoning). Like, not so much do you agree (duh) but do you think it's even a reasonable read to make in the first place.

Is this you being lock sure parama is scum, and ditto SAD (or scout)? I just don't see why you'd rather suicide than actually go through the process of pushing through a lynch here? Is it just that the game has drained you? More than that?

At this point I just want smith to die for his reckless wasting of precious words.

well at least pushing me would be better than suiciding.

I just don't see why you'd rather suicide

I wouldn't and won't. I'm just prepared for Kagami doing it.

Nobodies following my lynch path anyway and it gets tiring going on about it and nobody listening

^that also seems somewhat villagery by Dunn. Part of me thinks it's potential ATE with his neck potentially on the line but it still feels honest to me.

I've already said that you die when Dunn flips town and pie agreed. Unfortunately, it looks like parama-pair has to die second.

I still fail to see why, if you're decently sure dunn is town, you're not just pushing the people you want us to lynch after said town flip. Or, for that matter, why you think that I, as scum, would ever be bothered by trading a town suicide that turns the game into LYLO for a scum lynch that still means town needs to run the table to win the game.

Part of me just thinks this is a scam of some sort, and you're just looking to be "convinced" not to suicide, but since you've actually been on the "suicide is totally a good idea guys" bandwagon most of the game, I guess you actually probably mean it. All I can say is it's a really bad idea, for all the reasons I've already discussed. I don't really want to get into a yelling match about it again, you already know what I think and why I think it.

note also that pushing her to discuss parama also served to potentially move away from the suicide idea. idk where you get "smith hasn't done anything to advance his 'please don't suicide' agenda" from.

[mhsmith0]

And it's because you've been on jester with your vote all day and you only unvoted him because I said something about him flaking out.

no, you're arguing that I explicitly was preparing to argue that jester must be scum due to the game state. Where have I made such a push of late, either explicitly or subtly?

[Dunnstral]

Where have I made such a push of late, either explicitly or subtly?

Please state who you think is scum if my pair is town.

[mhsmith0]

Where have I made such a push of late, either explicitly or subtly?

Please state who you think is scum if my pair is town.

I don't know, and have been fairly clear about not really knowing for quite some time. Now explain where a made the push like you're accusing me of.

[Dunnstral]

You didn't make the push, I'm saying that's what you'd do after because it's what you've been doing. You have been pushing jester early into this phase

[mhsmith0]

At this point I just want smith to die for his reckless wasting of precious words.

well at least pushing me would be better than suiciding.

Also preparing to argue that kagami shouldn't have suicided and now town's in a perilous position but jester must be scum

Don't let him do that

^implies im actively preparing the way for it

[Dunnstral]

You're actively preparing the first two parts, which you agreed to.

The last part if you're scum going down you might not even do. I don't see why you're hung up over it

[mhsmith0]

Ps I've actually been making posts suggestive of going on scout if you flipped town (the whole Dunn/scout/pie not all town bit).

[mhsmith0]

You're actively preparing the first two parts, which you agreed to.

The last part if you're scum going down you might not even do. I don't see why you're hung up over it

The third point is the relevant one. The first two are just genetically/obviously true. Restating them without doing anything with them would be more or less meaningless, so saying I'm preparing to argue something obvious is... not interesting? The point only holds water if you think I'm doing it to set up jester, otherwise it's just noise.